Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:15 pm
Statistics: Posted by CougarClaw — Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:30 pm
Statistics: Posted by CougarClaw — Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:05 pm
again. Let me re-iterate. I don't disagree with anything you've written about Palestinian attacks or atrocities. They're awful. Israel is constantly under-siege. But why do you ignore the Palestinian side? Israel is just. as. guilty and your arguments focus on only one side. Israel doesn't NEED to use suicide bombers because they have US tanks, US helicopters, and US rockets. Palestinians are so desperate with their Israeli neighbors that their ONLY recourse is suicide attacks. If you wanted to stop suicide bombings, just arm the Palestinians with the same weapons we do Israel (not my recommendation mind you)
Tell me the last time Israel had a suicide bomber walk into a coffee shop in the Gaza Strip, or Lebanon and blow up Muslims while they were socializing.
Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:45 pm
It is my understanding that at present there are LDS congregations in the following Middle Eastern countries, all of which I think we could label as "Muslim."The Kingdom of Jordan has several LDS branches with many former Muslims as members. They meet in buildigns with the name of the church on the exterior on Fridays. It's not hidden. BYU and the church are very well known in Israel and in Jordan.I've taught Muslims on my mission. Did you know before they get baptized they have to promise the church they will never visit a Muslim country again? Not even the non-extremist countries, because the church knows that a converted Muslim going to any Muslim country is a death sentence.
I'm 100% sure that a Mormon that converted to Islam would have no fears visiting Utah.
Statistics: Posted by hawkwing — Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:43 pm
The Kingdom of Jordan has several LDS branches with many former Muslims as members. They meet in buildigns with the name of the church on the exterior on Fridays. It's not hidden. BYU and the church are very well known in Israel and in Jordan.I've taught Muslims on my mission. Did you know before they get baptized they have to promise the church they will never visit a Muslim country again? Not even the non-extremist countries, because the church knows that a converted Muslim going to any Muslim country is a death sentence.
I'm 100% sure that a Mormon that converted to Islam would have no fears visiting Utah.
Statistics: Posted by BoiseBYU — Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:27 pm
Statistics: Posted by CougarClaw — Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:14 am
Palestinians have great difficulty going anywhere on vacation. Israel severely restricts their travel in and out of Palestine. Most of the Palestinians living in Jordan arrived illegally as refugees. "Vacations" also implies the disposable income and luxuries as paid time off that are currently enjoyed by high GDP countries like the US and Israel. Palestinian GDP has been so incredibly stifled and destroyed by Israel that a 'vacation' is beyond most of them. Many are incredibly destitute, poor, and angry.Please share the last time an Israeli blew up a school bus, or public transportation bus, or a bus full of Muslims on vacation? It has not happened.
that's quite a lot of rockets. Most of which are inaccurate, poorly aimed, and manage to hit a building somewhere. Why don't you quote Israeli "rockets"? Why can't you look at two sides of an issue? I have a better statistic than rockets fired. How about deaths. Between 2000 and 2010, Israel lost 1,096 people in the conflict with Palestine. That's deplorable. How about Palestinians? 6,568. That's nearly six times as many. (btw that doesn't include the many sick Palestinians who died trying to get to hospitals because of Israeli roadblocks within Palestine). Is an Israeli life worth more than a Palestinian?Or, please tell me the last time Israel launched rockets into the Gaza strip - that were not retaliation for terrorist rocket attacks aimed at Jewish civilians. Do you know how many rockets have been launched from Gaza into Israel between 2001-2009? 8,600 rockets. Now, that is from just Gaza. We are not including the rockets from Southern Lebanon.
Interesting example by trying to make rocket attacks against Israel seem more potent by supposing they were made against some place patriotic and familiar. You've studied Islam so you know how tribal the entire region is. San Diego is a city in my country but I don't have family there. Do you think it would be harder having a local city bombed or having your family attacked by a foreign government? Imagine if Mexico killed a member of your family. let's say your sister because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now she's dead due to a retaliatory strike for rockets you never fired. If you had no resources except rocks to throw, no weapons, no army, no vote, no hope. perhaps could you understand an anger that could make you mad enough to blow yourself up? I could.Now, imagine terrorists had fired 8,600 rockets from Mexico into San Diego, Ca. What do you think our response would be? I assure you, we would not be as reserved and measured as has been Israel's response. No way. The public, the Mayor, the Governor, Congress and the President would not tolerate such a condition to exist.
yes it is. That's the problem. Israel is the elephant and the apple is trying to survive under the elephants feet. Apparently exploding is the only option that still gets the elephants attention.Your effort to draw a comparison between the terrorist attacks from Gaza and Southern Lebanon into Israel vs. Israel's measured, retaliatory, military responses - it is like comparing apples to an elephant.
Except compare the standard of living of Israel with Palestine -- It's not a difference of night and day, it's a difference of say an elephant and an apple. a dried and rotten apple. Israel has all the money, military, power, and quality of life -- of course they're going to want to walk away from the table. They've already 'won' but that sucess comes at the very large expense of the Palestinian people.The Israeli's would love to end hostilities with the radical Islamic Jihadi's. They would love to live in peace, with security, and no fear for themselves and their children. But - Hamas, the PLO, Iran, Syria, etc. They refuse to end the terrorist activities.
So, it continues - and will continue. The radical Islamic terrorists do not want peace. They want the complete annihilation of Israel and all the Jewish inhabitants. No other outcome is acceptable.
Seriously - if you do not believe that - then I now fully understand the nature of this discussion.
Statistics: Posted by CougarClaw — Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:10 am
Statistics: Posted by Ddawg — Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:53 pm