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Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-12T08:14:49-06:00

Apo has played hurt most of his career with injuries ranging from broken finger, to dislocated shoulder, concussion and high ankle sprain. He can generally make the catch when it's catchable. I personally saw some great catches at MS, UT and others. He was the recipient of many balls thrown at his feet or over his head. He can run and prefers the deep ball as opposed to catching in traffic like Hoffman. Has trouble getting off the line in press coverage, but I believe that with the increased competition, as opposed to previous years, he will have to make drastic changes in injury recovery and work ethic, in order to earn playing time.

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Statistics: Posted by byucougar1 — Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:14 am

Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-10T09:02:48-06:00

If you want to get into details and nuance how about this one?

1st Half of 2011 = Jake Heaps = Lots of Passes/Targets to Best Buddy and Primary Target Apo
2nd Half of 2011 = Riley Nelson = Lots of Passes/Targets to Best Buddy/Primary Target Hoffman

All looking at stats and details does is prove my initial point--Apo could simply have been soft over the middle from day one, not just after getting his bell rung. With the emergence of Hoffman in 2011, Apo lost dibs on the vertical routes he made his name in HS running and he got to run in early 2011 with his #1 fan under center. He won't get those routes in 2014 either.k

Personally, I think Apo has been a reluctant middle of the field receiver since HS.
Actually - no. In the first few weeks, Apo caught passes and TD passes vs good defenses. He has not done that in the 2 1/2 years since whether it was Jake Heaps throwing the passes, Riley Nelson throwing them, Jake throwing again, James Lark, Taysom Hill, or any QB I may have left out. And it is not that he has not been targeted. He does not fight for balls. He did fight to get open and to catch balls even when exposed until it burned him at least twice with Heaps. And, eventually, Heaps quit throwing to Apo due to drops and him not fighting to get open and make tough catches.

That is what I meant when I said he did more that first few weeks than he has done since. Yes. He has caught TD passes vs teams with the weakest defenses. Vs good defenses. A no show.

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And once again, you ignore my primary point. Apo has not been the #1 receiver since those first couple of weeks either. It's been Hoffman ever since Apo got his concussion, so Apo hasn't run the same routes since those early games either.

Perhaps you ignored that primary point or your previous primary point because they conflict with each other.

#1 First you said Apo was soft from the very beginning
#2 Now you seem to be saying he no longer produces vs good defenses because he is no longer the primary #1 receiver. And he is not the #1. Imho, because he changed after the injury. But, if we take your new primary point at face value, now you are claiming that if he was still the primary target, he would have continued to rack up yards and touchdowns vs good defenses just like his first few games. If you buy that, what about your first primary point. You cannot say he was always soft and now say he never was soft, but just quit being targeted.

So Which Primary Point Do You Think I missed? Now reconcile that one with the other one.

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:02 am

Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-09T21:05:21-06:00

Hasn't he had major surgery at the end of the last 2 seasons on his shoulder?

With Apo it's either Riley didn't like him, Riley seemed to never throw above his knees, Heaps got his bell, or he's been injured. I'm not sure we'll ever know unless he stays healthy and has a break out year which it might be too late for.

Either way he sure doesn't seem to fight for the ball.

I've been told he could barely even lift his arm by the end of last season by friends of family but who knows. I'm still hoping this is the year of the Apo! (I wouldn't bet on it though)

By the end of the season, his shoulder would often dislocate just from running - ie no contact

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:05 pm

Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-09T20:14:42-06:00

If you want to get into details and nuance how about this one?

1st Half of 2011 = Jake Heaps = Lots of Passes/Targets to Best Buddy and Primary Target Apo
2nd Half of 2011 = Riley Nelson = Lots of Passes/Targets to Best Buddy/Primary Target Hoffman

All looking at stats and details does is prove my initial point--Apo could simply have been soft over the middle from day one, not just after getting his bell rung. With the emergence of Hoffman in 2011, Apo lost dibs on the vertical routes he made his name in HS running and he got to run in early 2011 with his #1 fan under center. He won't get those routes in 2014 either.k

Personally, I think Apo has been a reluctant middle of the field receiver since HS.
Actually - no. In the first few weeks, Apo caught passes and TD passes vs good defenses. He has not done that in the 2 1/2 years since whether it was Jake Heaps throwing the passes, Riley Nelson throwing them, Jake throwing again, James Lark, Taysom Hill, or any QB I may have left out. And it is not that he has not been targeted. He does not fight for balls. He did fight to get open and to catch balls even when exposed until it burned him at least twice with Heaps. And, eventually, Heaps quit throwing to Apo due to drops and him not fighting to get open and make tough catches.

That is what I meant when I said he did more that first few weeks than he has done since. Yes. He has caught TD passes vs teams with the weakest defenses. Vs good defenses. A no show.

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And once again, you ignore my primary point. Apo has not been the #1 receiver since those first couple of weeks either. It's been Hoffman ever since Apo got his concussion, so Apo hasn't run the same routes since those early games either.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:14 pm

Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-09T16:58:57-06:00

Hasn't he had major surgery at the end of the last 2 seasons on his shoulder?

With Apo it's either Riley didn't like him, Riley seemed to never throw above his knees, Heaps got his bell, or he's been injured. I'm not sure we'll ever know unless he stays healthy and has a break out year which it might be too late for.

Either way he sure doesn't seem to fight for the ball.

I've been told he could barely even lift his arm by the end of last season by friends of family but who knows. I'm still hoping this is the year of the Apo! (I wouldn't bet on it though)

Statistics: Posted by Stirfry — Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:58 pm

Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-09T15:39:08-06:00

If you want to get into details and nuance how about this one?

1st Half of 2011 = Jake Heaps = Lots of Passes/Targets to Best Buddy and Primary Target Apo
2nd Half of 2011 = Riley Nelson = Lots of Passes/Targets to Best Buddy/Primary Target Hoffman

All looking at stats and details does is prove my initial point--Apo could simply have been soft over the middle from day one, not just after getting his bell rung. With the emergence of Hoffman in 2011, Apo lost dibs on the vertical routes he made his name in HS running and he got to run in early 2011 with his #1 fan under center. He won't get those routes in 2014 either.k

Personally, I think Apo has been a reluctant middle of the field receiver since HS.

Actually - no. In the first few weeks, Apo caught passes and TD passes vs good defenses. He has not done that in the 2 1/2 years since whether it was Jake Heaps throwing the passes, Riley Nelson throwing them, Jake throwing again, James Lark, Taysom Hill, or any QB I may have left out. And it is not that he has not been targeted. He does not fight for balls. He did fight to get open and to catch balls even when exposed until it burned him at least twice with Heaps. And, eventually, Heaps quit throwing to Apo due to drops and him not fighting to get open and make tough catches.

That is what I meant when I said he did more that first few weeks than he has done since. Yes. He has caught TD passes vs teams with the weakest defenses. Vs good defenses. A no show.

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:39 pm

Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-09T11:25:14-06:00

If you want to get into details and nuance how about this one?

1st Half of 2011 = Jake Heaps = Lots of Passes/Targets to Best Buddy and Primary Target Apo
2nd Half of 2011 = Riley Nelson = Lots of Passes/Targets to Best Buddy/Primary Target Hoffman

All looking at stats and details does is prove my initial point--Apo could simply have been soft over the middle from day one, not just after getting his bell rung. With the emergence of Hoffman in 2011, Apo lost dibs on the vertical routes he made his name in HS running and he got to run in early 2011 with his #1 fan under center. He won't get those routes in 2014 either.k

Personally, I think Apo has been a reluctant middle of the field receiver since HS.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:25 am

Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-09T11:03:55-06:00

He did more in the early few weeks than he has done in 2.5 years since.

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Actually his stats at the end of 2011 (post-concussion) look remarkably similar to his stats through the UCF game--where he got hung out over the middle:

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:03 am

Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-09T10:16:31-06:00

He did more in the early few weeks than he has done in 2.5 years since.

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Actually his stats at the end of 2011 (post-concussion) look remarkably similar to his stats through the UCF game--where he got hung out over the middle:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/pla ... 1/ross-apo" font-size:80%;line-height:116%">[ Post made via Mobile Device ]
That's nice that you said that somewhere else, but that's not what you said in what I quoted above, which his stats disprove.
Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:16 am

Re: Keanu Nelson transfer from Stanford

2014-04-09T10:10:54-06:00

He did more in the early few weeks than he has done in 2.5 years since.

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Actually his stats at the end of 2011 (post-concussion) look remarkably similar to his stats through the UCF game--where he got hung out over the middle:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/pla ... 1/ross-apo" font-size:80%;line-height:116%">[ Post made via Mobile Device ]
Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:10 am