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Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-14T23:21:42-06:00

To be brutally clear. I never said basketball or any other sport needs football to SURVIVE. I did argue that the surplus that football generates subsidizes all other sports and thus would need to be made up from some other source or through brat tightening or probably both. Going on a diet and starving to death are two completely different things. In answer to LV, you can go on a diet and still be ok.

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:21 pm

Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-14T21:27:05-06:00

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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BYU had an attendance of 238,131 for all basketball games last year. Assuming an average of $8 per ticket, BYU made about 2 million in basketball ticket sales alone. That is not including advertising, sponsorships, cougarclub, concessions, donations or TV revenues. By the time you add all those things in, the basketball team supports itself, even with the extra weight of carrying the women's team. By the way, attendance is up since we left the MWC.
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Since being clear isn't sufficient, let me clarify my clarity. The basketball team funding is not in any way related to or dependent on the football funding. In fact, in my opinion, should football funding go away entirely, basketball funding will be sufficient to maintain basketball and all other sports at BYU. I don't want football to go away. I enjoy football. However, in my opinion, basketball does not need football in any way to survive.
Statistics: Posted by rblack — Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:27 pm

Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-14T20:20:49-06:00

Funding for a replacement MC? Too much Maui wowee, bib. BYU has to get a much needed bball practice facility long before they need to replace the MC. There are no major flaws that need correction about the MC other than the ugly yellow seating. And BYU is and will continue to work on that.
Forever is a long time. Responsible institutions plan for obsolescence over an expected lifetime and set aside reserves to be ready when the time comes. Example. Many on here probably resided at Deseret Towers. My mother was a head resident. Try to find one of those buildings today.

Even if the MC is never replaced, plumbing, electrical, heating, and AC systems need to be replaced over time and much of that work can be quite invasive. And if the trend for smaller arenas with luxury boxes forces some changes, those would be costly. Modernized scoreboards, ribbons, sound systems - all expensive.

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I don't think BYU would have any trouble raising funds to modernize the MC should they ever decide to. Seems about every year they're raising millions to build or update some building on campus.

The MC is used for more than just basketball games - weekly devotions, concerts, etc. It's a very utilitarian building.
Utilitarian for sure. But few of those things produce revenue or inspire donors like sports teams will. Like all other things, money can be raised in time. It only took a decade to get an indoor practice facility. My only point is that BYU Football operates at a surplus. If that surplus went away, more funds would need to be raised elsewhere or belts tightened or a little of both.

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Now you're arguing two separate things, Bib. First you said all programs are subsidized by football and the arguments you have been defending against are saying Men's BBall would be fine on its own. Everyone agrees that football operates with a surplus and subsidizes every other sport, so I'm not sure why you're using the football surplus issue as your defense that BBall is dependent on football as well.

Statistics: Posted by BYULV — Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:20 pm

Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-14T14:31:09-06:00

Funding for a replacement MC? Too much Maui wowee, bib. BYU has to get a much needed bball practice facility long before they need to replace the MC. There are no major flaws that need correction about the MC other than the ugly yellow seating. And BYU is and will continue to work on that.
Forever is a long time. Responsible institutions plan for obsolescence over an expected lifetime and set aside reserves to be ready when the time comes. Example. Many on here probably resided at Deseret Towers. My mother was a head resident. Try to find one of those buildings today.

Even if the MC is never replaced, plumbing, electrical, heating, and AC systems need to be replaced over time and much of that work can be quite invasive. And if the trend for smaller arenas with luxury boxes forces some changes, those would be costly. Modernized scoreboards, ribbons, sound systems - all expensive.

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I don't think BYU would have any trouble raising funds to modernize the MC should they ever decide to. Seems about every year they're raising millions to build or update some building on campus.

The MC is used for more than just basketball games - weekly devotions, concerts, etc. It's a very utilitarian building.

Utilitarian for sure. But few of those things produce revenue or inspire donors like sports teams will. Like all other things, money can be raised in time. It only took a decade to get an indoor practice facility. My only point is that BYU Football operates at a surplus. If that surplus went away, more funds would need to be raised elsewhere or belts tightened or a little of both.

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:31 pm

Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-14T13:55:18-06:00

Funding for a replacement MC? Too much Maui wowee, bib. BYU has to get a much needed bball practice facility long before they need to replace the MC. There are no major flaws that need correction about the MC other than the ugly yellow seating. And BYU is and will continue to work on that.
Forever is a long time. Responsible institutions plan for obsolescence over an expected lifetime and set aside reserves to be ready when the time comes. Example. Many on here probably resided at Deseret Towers. My mother was a head resident. Try to find one of those buildings today.

Even if the MC is never replaced, plumbing, electrical, heating, and AC systems need to be replaced over time and much of that work can be quite invasive. And if the trend for smaller arenas with luxury boxes forces some changes, those would be costly. Modernized scoreboards, ribbons, sound systems - all expensive.

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I don't think BYU would have any trouble raising funds to modernize the MC should they ever decide to. Seems about every year they're raising millions to build or update some building on campus.

The MC is used for more than just basketball games - weekly devotions, concerts, etc. It's a very utilitarian building.

Statistics: Posted by Gunk — Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:55 pm

Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-14T11:49:23-06:00

Funding for a replacement MC? Too much Maui wowee, bib. BYU has to get a much needed bball practice facility long before they need to replace the MC. There are no major flaws that need correction about the MC other than the ugly yellow seating. And BYU is and will continue to work on that.

Forever is a long time. Responsible institutions plan for obsolescence over an expected lifetime and set aside reserves to be ready when the time comes. Example. Many on here probably resided at Deseret Towers. My mother was a head resident. Try to find one of those buildings today.

Even if the MC is never replaced, plumbing, electrical, heating, and AC systems need to be replaced over time and much of that work can be quite invasive. And if the trend for smaller arenas with luxury boxes forces some changes, those would be costly. Modernized scoreboards, ribbons, sound systems - all expensive.

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:49 am

Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-14T11:19:51-06:00

Funding for a replacement MC? Too much Maui wowee, bib. BYU has to get a much needed bball practice facility long before they need to replace the MC. There are no major flaws that need correction about the MC other than the ugly yellow seating. And BYU is and will continue to work on that.

Statistics: Posted by Cougs_Rule — Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:19 am

Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-13T21:34:00-06:00

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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BYU had an attendance of 238,131 for all basketball games last year. Assuming an average of $8 per ticket, BYU made about 2 million in basketball ticket sales alone. That is not including advertising, sponsorships, cougarclub, concessions, donations or TV revenues. By the time you add all those things in, the basketball team supports itself, even with the extra weight of carrying the women's team. By the way, attendance is up since we left the MWC.
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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:34 pm

Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-13T14:44:24-06:00

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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BYU had an attendance of 238,131 for all basketball games last year. Assuming an average of $8 per ticket, BYU made about 2 million in basketball ticket sales alone. That is not including advertising, sponsorships, cougarclub, concessions, donations or TV revenues. By the time you add all those things in, the basketball team supports itself, even with the extra weight of carrying the women's team. By the way, attendance is up since we left the MWC.
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Statistics: Posted by rblack — Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:44 pm

Re: What I like about Basketball

2014-10-12T16:04:10-06:00

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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Again, if tiny private schools like most of the WCC are able to fund sports programs - basketball, baseball, swim, track, soccer, etc. - both men's and women's teams without the benevolence of football program, why on earth do you think a school as large and we'll funded as BYU would struggle to do so?

Now, the softball team may not have as nice equipment, stay in as nice hotels, or have as good coaches as they do with football, but their existence at BYU is not dependent on football.

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Totally agree Gunk. That is what I meant by subsidized. I did not say they would become extinct.

Any sport at any school is subsidized by something, unless it's broadcast revenue and ticket sales cover all expenses. They might get subsidized by donor contributions, tuition, revenue from other sports, tax payers, tithing, or whatever is available.

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:04 pm