CougarCorner This is the Place, for Cougar Fans! 2015-03-30T21:05:39-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/app.php/feed/topic/18251 2015-03-30T21:05:39-06:00 2015-03-30T21:05:39-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209912#p209912 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]> BYU had a weak schedule in 1984. 1996 wasn't a killer either. That's always been the complaint. Big fricken deal, when has it really hurt BYU more than its losses? The one year with the Fiesta Turditos bowl? That's about it.

Statistics: Posted by Cougs_Rule — Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:05 pm


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2015-03-30T19:40:34-06:00 2015-03-30T19:40:34-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209906#p209906 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]>
You're not gonna get ready to knock out Mike Tyson by boxing the neighborhood girl scout troop.
I know. Obviously the only way to get ready to knock out Iron Mike is to fight no one but Mike Tyson or his caliber of fighter. Last thing you would want to do is fight a series of lesser boxers to hone your skill and craft and tune yourself up to the big fight. You fight Mike Tyson or no one... Possibly the worst analogy I've seen on this board since Cougarbib.
Twisting someone's words to mean their opposite doesn't make their logic bad, it simply shows the bad logic of your own mental creation.

BYU shouldn't play 12 Alabamas, and neither should they play 12 Idaho States. That's not bad logic, that's common sense.

Statistics: Posted by Mars — Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:40 pm


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2015-03-30T19:36:42-06:00 2015-03-30T19:36:42-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209904#p209904 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]> Statistics: Posted by scott715 — Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:36 pm


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2015-03-30T16:26:00-06:00 2015-03-30T16:26:00-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209900#p209900 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]>
Yes, ask Marshall about cupcakes. But then go and ask Fresno State how playing the toughest schedule you can every year works--it's decimated their program.

Balance is what you need.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:26 pm


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2015-03-30T16:07:31-06:00 2015-03-30T16:07:31-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209899#p209899 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]>
How is college football in any way comparable to boxing? If you're referring to your own analogy as being the worst, I would agree.
Except for one nagging little thing--I made no analogy, I simply pointed out the false dichotomy presented in the previous analogy using the device of satire.
The false dichotomy was your invention. Applying the analogy back to college football, I'm clearly saying that you're not going to get ready to win a national championship - which requires beating the best teams in the nation - by playing the worst teams you can find, in the same way that the local girl scouts would be about the worst boxers you can find. Had I decided the humorous, hyperbolic analogy was worth more than a sentence, I might have named a few other boxers you would hone your skills against as you get reader. I simply stated what you wouldn't do, and the only suggestion of what you might do was hypothetical schedule which I suggested was acceptable, and it was 8 SEC teams, not Alabama 8 times.

The point is, don't fill your schedule with the worst teams in pursuit of a good record. That's stupid. You don't learn anything about winning tougher games and nobody cares about those wins. Ask Marshall. Fill it with the best teams you can possibly get on there. Yes, your losses will probably increase. Besides, with as far out as these deals are made, there's no guarantee they'll even still be good by the time you play. Remember when Utah beat Michigan in the Big House in 2008? Looking at that game in 2006, you think Utah bit off more than it could chew. But a loss to Appy State and a coaching change later, it's suddenly not even as big TCU that year. There usually aren't that many great teams in a season, and it's nearly impossible to predict who they will be 5-10 years out. But try and get as many as you can on there, so that you never have to worry about winning all your games but never being invited to the big dance.

Statistics: Posted by redneckjedi — Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:07 pm


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2015-03-27T13:16:18-06:00 2015-03-27T13:16:18-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209861#p209861 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]>
I'm also with scott715. I would like to see a series or two with Kansas or Purdue or Wake Forest on the schedule. Although, I'm sure it's pretty tough to get them to be willing to travel to Provo for a potential loss. Those P5 schools would rather play Toledo or Kent St. or Texas St. at home OOC.

Statistics: Posted by YNot — Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:16 pm


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2015-03-27T12:21:08-06:00 2015-03-27T12:21:08-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209859#p209859 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]>
I do wish we could play a team like Kansas instead of a Savanna St. I don't want to play any cupcakes except for a P5 cupcake.

Statistics: Posted by scott715 — Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:21 pm


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2015-03-27T11:53:58-06:00 2015-03-27T11:53:58-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209856#p209856 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]>
Except we're not playing a P5 schedule. We are playing an "in between" P5 and G5 schedule.

P5 teams usually play 9-10 other P5 teams each year. In 2015 we're playing 4. In 2016 we're playing 6. In 2017 we've got 3. In 2018 we've got 5.

It's not like all these games are against elite programs either. Miss St., Arizona and Utah are all unquestionably middling to lower end P5 programs despite their collective success last year.

To me, our scheduling philosophy is perfect. We have enough good games to allow us national exposure and respect when we actually deserve it, but enough games against lesser teams that make winning seasons attainable every year.
Interestingly, BYU had the #38 schedule in 2013. We played SIX P5 opponents - Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Texas, Virginia, Utah, Georgia Tech - PLUS Boise St., Houston and Utah St. didn't hurt. Our schedule was tougher than at least 27 P5 programs.

2012 and 2014 were true tweener schedules. #60 in 2012 and #69 in 2014. We had good top-end in 2012 (#2 Notre Dame!), but too many poor games (Weber St., Idaho, NMSU, Hawaii). In 2014, we lacked top-end competition (#16 was our toughest game) and that #251 Savannah St. matchup was just awful - about the worst FCS opponent available.

IMO, 2015 looks more like 2013 than it does 2012 or 2014. Nebraska, Missouri, Michigan, and UCLA will be good P5 matchups. Boise St., Cincinnati, and Utah St. will be good G5 opponents. Fresno St., ECU, and SJSU won't suck and should be at least top-100.

2016 and on, we should easily be in the top-50 schedules, and likely often in the top-30 or better. Those schedules still might be "tweener" in perception, but they will easily be P5-level in reality.

Statistics: Posted by YNot — Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:53 am


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2015-03-27T11:14:25-06:00 2015-03-27T11:14:25-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209852#p209852 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]>
What this move to a "P5 schedule" means is an abandonment of the middle ground goal of making a NY6 bowl--if that weren't ambitious enough. Oh one could argue that it doesn't matte and this is just "preparation" for a P5 inclusion; and as there are few absolutes and dichotomies, let me state some probabilities.
If BYU with a G5 schedule had a 15-20% chance of making a NY6 bowl, BYU with P5 schedules will now have a about a 3% chance at best with team loaded with NFL caliber guys like a Taysom or a Kyle. In other words, kiss NY6 goodbye let alone the even more laughable Undefeated season and NC.
But hey good news: BYU will get to more regularly test itself against the best in the country, as if it didn't already know it is nothing more than a mid-major, P5 wannabe,3rd place team at best in the MWC. I mean seriously. People have lost their heads and any shred of perspective. BYU doesn't recruit team talent to compete in a P5 world and it never will. Oh to chase the fantasy that BYU is good enough and worthy to play in the P5 sandbox.
Well, I guess if the gamble pays off and BYU lands in the only remaining remotely viable option of the Big 12, maybe it's worth it. See you guys soon in a movie called "2015: 6-6" and its sequel, "2016: 5-7."
Except we're not playing a P5 schedule. We are playing an "in between" P5 and G5 schedule.

P5 teams usually play 9-10 other P5 teams each year. In 2015 we're playing 4. In 2016 we're playing 6. In 2017 we've got 3. In 2018 we've got 5.

It's not like all these games are against elite programs either. Miss St., Arizona and Utah are all unquestionably middling to lower end P5 programs despite their collective success last year.

To me, our scheduling philosophy is perfect. We have enough good games to allow us national exposure and respect when we actually deserve it, but enough games against lesser teams that make winning seasons attainable every year.

You said it much more succintly and eloquently. I think we are right where we need to be now. The schedules are starting to shape up nicely in the future with good home and home deals.

Statistics: Posted by Cougarfan87 — Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:14 am


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2015-03-27T10:03:17-06:00 2015-03-27T10:03:17-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=209843#p209843 <![CDATA[Re: BYU-Miss St series 2016 (Provo) and 2017 (Starkville)]]>
What this move to a "P5 schedule" means is an abandonment of the middle ground goal of making a NY6 bowl--if that weren't ambitious enough. Oh one could argue that it doesn't matte and this is just "preparation" for a P5 inclusion; and as there are few absolutes and dichotomies, let me state some probabilities.
If BYU with a G5 schedule had a 15-20% chance of making a NY6 bowl, BYU with P5 schedules will now have a about a 3% chance at best with team loaded with NFL caliber guys like a Taysom or a Kyle. In other words, kiss NY6 goodbye let alone the even more laughable Undefeated season and NC.
But hey good news: BYU will get to more regularly test itself against the best in the country, as if it didn't already know it is nothing more than a mid-major, P5 wannabe,3rd place team at best in the MWC. I mean seriously. People have lost their heads and any shred of perspective. BYU doesn't recruit team talent to compete in a P5 world and it never will. Oh to chase the fantasy that BYU is good enough and worthy to play in the P5 sandbox.
Well, I guess if the gamble pays off and BYU lands in the only remaining remotely viable option of the Big 12, maybe it's worth it. See you guys soon in a movie called "2015: 6-6" and its sequel, "2016: 5-7."
Except we're not playing a P5 schedule. We are playing an "in between" P5 and G5 schedule.

P5 teams usually play 9-10 other P5 teams each year. In 2015 we're playing 4. In 2016 we're playing 6. In 2017 we've got 3. In 2018 we've got 5.

It's not like all these games are against elite programs either. Miss St., Arizona and Utah are all unquestionably middling to lower end P5 programs despite their collective success last year.

To me, our scheduling philosophy is perfect. We have enough good games to allow us national exposure and respect when we actually deserve it, but enough games against lesser teams that make winning seasons attainable every year.

Statistics: Posted by mormonrasta — Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:03 am


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