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Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-18T15:41:44-06:00

What's interesting about the current pay-to-play scheme/regs, is that it is essentially capped at cost of attendance. In practice, that should mean that even if BYU pays more than Utah, the net to the player after a year should be the same-- ($Y-$Y) = $0 at BYU, and ($U-$U) =$0 at Utah.

It's a bit hard to fudge the cost of attendance figures--those are reported to the federal govt for Pell Grant and other student aid calculations and are compiled and tracked by a department entirely different than the Athletic Departments. Where the pay to play will get crazy is when they dissociate it from the semi-independent cost of attendance figures.

COA is hogwash. Schools should just pay what they can afford without any government subsidies.

Also an athlete on scholarship should be able to make money any way they want to just like someone on a music scholarship can play professionally while they are at school.

Read this article on UNR, which won't be paying COA scholarships this year. UNLV is only paying football and basketball athletes a COA stipend. I wonder how that will fly with title ix.

UNM, UNR and UH won't be paying the COA stipend this year. Anyone who thinks BYU should go back to that is nuts.

Statistics: Posted by jvquarterback — Mon May 18, 2015 3:41 pm

Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-15T22:15:54-06:00

What's interesting about the current pay-to-play scheme/regs, is that it is essentially capped at cost of attendance. In practice, that should mean that even if BYU pays more than Utah, the net to the player after a year should be the same-- ($Y-$Y) = $0 at BYU, and ($U-$U) =$0 at Utah.

It's a bit hard to fudge the cost of attendance figures--those are reported to the federal govt for Pell Grant and other student aid calculations and are compiled and tracked by a department entirely different than the Athletic Departments. Where the pay to play will get crazy is when they dissociate it from the semi-independent cost of attendance figures.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Fri May 15, 2015 10:15 pm

Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-15T16:53:17-06:00

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The downside of COA and the games are about to begin. Maybe the NCAA needs to come out and cap the max that an athlete can receive.

Statistics: Posted by scott715 — Fri May 15, 2015 4:53 pm

Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-13T13:46:24-06:00

I've been thinking how this might effect transfers. I bet we see more teams blocking transfers to teams that pay more. It may also light a fire under some athletes to graduate ASAP to get to a school that pays more.

It will have a huge impact on poor kids. I bet a difference of $200 per month would have kept Tayo at BYU so he could help his sister out. He also would have been more likely to have stayed in school at TCU given his situation.

Statistics: Posted by jvquarterback — Wed May 13, 2015 1:46 pm

Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-12T10:11:46-06:00

It's about time. Hopefully we'll see the athletes getting to market themselves like the rest of college students are encouraged to do.

I suppose it isn't any more sickening to see the athletic department mooch off the players than it is for the arts department to mooch off the taxes of everyone else at most state universities.

It's too bad all the private schools in the country didn't break off to do their own thing long ago. Most of them have become just as dependent on tax subsidies in the form of student financial aid so it isn't too surprising.

Statistics: Posted by jvquarterback — Tue May 12, 2015 10:11 am

Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-06T23:02:31-06:00

This is kind of off-topic, but it would be really awesome if BYU offered a similar number of similarly-priced academic scholarships. Speaking from experience, you can learn a ton more, get better grades, and do some sweet undergraduate research when you don't need to work part- or full-time to pay the bills. I pulled it off with 3 scholarships, not one, and ended up working two jobs anyway for the experience, but I imagine if you really wanted to grow the reputation of a department or college, that would probably help you get some of the best and brightest. Then again, BYU already has a super high offer acceptance rate, second only to Harvard, so it would only really help if it expanded the pool of applicants.

Really, with the way we recruit in football, it's the same deal - we usually go after guys that want to be here already and are a good fit, so this stipend business only helps if it expands that pool of interested players who are willing and able to live the honor code.

Statistics: Posted by redneckjedi — Wed May 06, 2015 11:02 pm

Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-06T16:54:57-06:00

BYU has to be in the top-tier to stay competitive. It's not about giving them an extra reason to come to BYU, it's about denying the other schools further arguments to feed recruits against coming to BYU.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Wed May 06, 2015 4:54 pm

Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-06T15:50:36-06:00

No. The cost to school a football player at BYU, scholie and COA, is far less than at USC, given the tuition difference. And this difference certainly his not even in the top 5 reasons why BYU can't get an invite to a P5 conference.

This is absolutely an act of desperation. BYU is losing ground in recruiting. It just is. BYU has to do anything within its power to even the playing field for recruiting Elite athletes. TH is throwing everything and the kitchen sink at building the perception that BYU tis. Ready for prime time.

Honor code: strike 1.
Non P5 Conference: strike 2
Poor NFL draft record: strike 3

But hey, for a consolation prize, BYU can offer a whopping one thousand more dollars per year. I don't like the extra money out Of my pocket as a fan and little d-donor, but I get that TH has to do whatever he can to get some win-back with all of the disadvantages. And all at the risk of breaching if not leading out (top 10) into grey ethical territory of pay for play for amateur athletes.

My understanding is that the number is based on full cost of attendance (COA) numbers reported for federal aid and loan purposes - tuition + fees + books + living expenses (which can include room and board and also allowances for transportation, supplies, loan fees, dependent care, personal computer, study-abroad, etc.). This is a number reported so that the average student (ie, non-athlete) can receive federal financial aid to cover their education.

https://fafsa.ed.gov/help/costatt.htm" extra" allowances.

Because private schools like USC, Stanford, and Boston College already have such high tuition expenses, they intentionally lower the cost of living expenses and allowances estimates so that the total COA number for the average student (ie, non-athlete) appears more competitive. So, they are at a distinct disadvantage in the "player stipend" arena, because the schools' reported COA number is understated to be more competitive with other education institutions.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

There will definitely be some athletes that shop schools based on the COA payout. How many is yet to be determined.

There will likely be some universities that re-evaluate their reported COA numbers, but I doubt that there will be much movement from the universities, because the Presidents and school administrators will have to balance benefits to the athletics programs with the detriment to marketing the costs to attend to the average student.

Statistics: Posted by YNot — Wed May 06, 2015 3:50 pm

Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-06T11:55:53-06:00

If your a kid that has NFL dreams than stipend is the least of your worries. You want the school that will best prepare you to make millions.
IMO this will be a big deal with 2-3 star players and no so big for 4-5 star guys.

Statistics: Posted by stgeorgefan — Wed May 06, 2015 11:55 am

Re: BYU jumps into the playing players realm.

2015-05-06T11:25:58-06:00

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Statistics: Posted by scott715 — Wed May 06, 2015 11:25 am