The only person I *remember* is loveridge. I mean, that was - as the kids would say - a minute ago.

Dave Rose wasn't excited about the move to the WCC either, and there was serious talk amongst "the faithful" on I believe it was cougarblue (at the time) that he was going to take the OK state job offer because he was so unhappy about it. The boosters came together and made a push and that didn't happen, however true or untrue the rumors were.

There are a lot of reasons BYU doesn't have a lot of on court talent, I am listing a few. You are the ones nailing it down to single issues. I can tell you one thing, though Dave Rose is to blame for mismanaging KColl, he is a top notch coach and we are lucky to have him.

I think this thread has run its course.

Spiff, I said it took a dip for one or two years, but then Jimmer happened, and we turned it around. But those players are just now starting to get to BYU and make a difference (we have had commits go on missions first, or play a year and then go). Which is partly why we have had letdown games the last couple years, that, and we have been playing a SF at the PG position.
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I guess I'm just confused. BYU's recruiting took a dip because of our move to the WCC. But we've also gotten better recruits because of Jimmer when we turned it around. But Jimmer was our last year in the MWC before the move to the WCC. So I just don't understand how it took a dip because we moved to the WCC but because Jimmer happened we've been able to turn it around.

We announced a year before we moved into the WCC. The U of U was already announced a member of the Pac 12. That hurt us in head to head recruiting battles.

Jimmer happened that year. We lost out on Loveridge and some other people, I don't remember who, mostly big men that we needed to fill roster spots with. We did have the advantage of Carlino transferring (even though he would eventually be driven away by a small forward playing point guard), but he had to sit out a year. Fischer came also later, but he needed to sit out. So, in our transition to the WCC things were complicated. Also, Rose got sick. Then our assistant coaches got hired away from us, and - frankly - I haven't been impressed with Nashif. Our offense and defense have taken steps back from the MWC Rice as assistant head coach days.

There are reasons for the roster being the way it is now. We are deeper than I remember us being. We are inexperienced though, and some of the roster ... intricacies ... haven't helped the overall team development, or the direction of the team.

I like the way they are playing now, though.

Spiff, I said it took a dip for one or two years, but then Jimmer happened, and we turned it around. But those players are just now starting to get to BYU and make a difference (we have had commits go on missions first, or play a year and then go). Which is partly why we have had letdown games the last couple years, that, and we have been playing a SF at the PG position.
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I guess I'm just confused. BYU's recruiting took a dip because of our move to the WCC. But we've also gotten better recruits because of Jimmer when we turned it around. But Jimmer was our last year in the MWC before the move to the WCC. So I just don't understand how it took a dip because we moved to the WCC but because Jimmer happened we've been able to turn it around.

BYU's recruiting has taken such a dip since joining the WCC five years ago that next year BYU will have five players who ranked in ESPN's Top 100 high school recruits when they signed with BYU. Those players are:

Nick Emery #45
TJ Haws #51
Eric Mika #28
Payton Dastrup #98
Yeotil Childs #50

Spiff, I said it took a dip for one or two years, but then Jimmer happened, and we turned it around. But those players are just now starting to get to BYU and make a difference (we have had commits go on missions first, or play a year and then go). Which is partly why we have had letdown games the last couple years, that, and we have been playing a SF at the PG position.
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Did anyone notice the change in philosophy on the offense over the last 5 games?

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BYU's recruiting has taken such a dip since joining the WCC five years ago that next year BYU will have five players who ranked in ESPN's Top 100 high school recruits when they signed with BYU. Those players are:

Nick Emery #45
TJ Haws #51
Eric Mika #28
Payton Dastrup #98
Yeotil Childs #50