CougarCorner This is the Place, for Cougar Fans! 2017-04-01T14:48:44-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/app.php/feed/topic/20593 2017-04-01T14:48:44-06:00 2017-04-01T14:48:44-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235847#p235847 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]>
LJ Rose is a million times better than Beo, and good bench minutes are good bench minutes.
True. But go look at the games we lost even with LJ starting. No bench didn't help us, but even at full capacity we were unorganized and undisciplined. Rose has gotten more out of less talented teams.
"Full capacity". At what point this season were we at full capacity?

You mean the games where Elijah Bryant was out and hurt? Or the ones where Davis was hurt? Or the ones where Emery was hurt and/or sick?

If you want to have a conversation about why we didn't have a bench, that's an honest and decent conversation to have... But it's disingenuous in my opinion to pretend like Rose had a full deck going into this season, much less halfway through.

It's remarkable to me that some of you are unsatisfied with 22 wins and an NIT appearance when we had 1 reliable player all season, and our entire team could count Div 1 NCAA game experience on two hands.

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2017-03-30T21:44:22-06:00 2017-03-30T21:44:22-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235831#p235831 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]>
LJ Rose is a million times better than Beo, and good bench minutes are good bench minutes.
True. But go look at the games we lost even with LJ starting. No bench didn't help us, but even at full capacity we were unorganized and undisciplined. Rose has gotten more out of less talented teams.

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2017-03-30T18:53:40-06:00 2017-03-30T18:53:40-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235830#p235830 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]> Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:53 pm


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2017-03-29T19:23:33-06:00 2017-03-29T19:23:33-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235811#p235811 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]>
Yes, with their injuries our bench got a lot thinner, but we were already losing games.

Lack of defense and youth are big factors, but the primary reason in my book is coaching. The team played sloppy ball a lot of the season. This was not a well-disciplined team. Things were downright chaotic at times, even with our level-headed seniors. I feel players of late have gotten away from Rose and company.

I can understand shots not falling. I can understand players not being quick enough on D. What I can't understand are players routinely dribbling down the court and launching a 3 pointer 5 feet behind the line with a defender in their face. What I also don't understand is a post player (cough...Mika) never passing it back out and taking on 2 or more defenders. It's hard to play inside-out ball when the ball never goes back out once it goes inside. There was very little team ball, and that's on Rose. The fact Mika is bailing, I think says a lot about the team and coaching dynamics.

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2017-03-29T12:12:05-06:00 2017-03-29T12:12:05-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235808#p235808 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]>
No bench mentions? We had the worst scoring bench in the nation. We have young talent coming off missions that will help (Andrus, Dalton Nixon, possibly Seljaas coming back next year). With a healthy Peyton Dastrup that is already sounding good, and my guess is guys like Beo will get the boot when things get a little crunchy if we get a JC transfer or two.

The starters played pretty well, Emery included. They just played too much.
I only mentioned the starting lineup talking about inexperience. The Bench was part of the inexperience and was probably why it played so poorly. If our only Sr's hadn't gotten injured, the bench probably would have played better. Plus my 3 reasons were what I was saying were the main reasons. There were tons more but those were my main ones. And Emery was a shadow of the player he was as a freshman this year. He played far from well.
Yeah, the seniors getting injured took us from talented starters and decent depth, to... Oh no. Everyone needs to play 35 mins a night. I think they just got fatigued. I think Emery (our best defender) got fatigued from all the exertion.

It's very possible that LJ Rose and Yoeli or Davis coming off the bench would have been huge for the team. We could have spelled our starters for longer, more often, and actually scored and not turned the ball over when the subs came in.

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2017-03-29T12:11:45-06:00 2017-03-29T12:11:45-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235807#p235807 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]>
No bench mentions? We had the worst scoring bench in the nation. We have young talent coming off missions that will help (Andrus, Dalton Nixon, possibly Seljaas coming back next year). With a healthy Peyton Dastrup that is already sounding good, and my guess is guys like Beo will get the boot when things get a little crunchy if we get a JC transfer or two.

The starters played pretty well, Emery included. They just played too much.
I only mentioned the starting lineup talking about inexperience. The Bench was part of the inexperience and was probably why it played so poorly. If our only Sr's hadn't gotten injured, the bench probably would have played better. Plus my 3 reasons were what I was saying were the main reasons. There were tons more but those were my main ones. And Emery was a shadow of the player he was as a freshman this year. He played far from well.
Yeah, the seniors getting injured took us from talented starters and decent depth, to... Oh no. Everyone needs to play 35 mins a night. I think they just got fatigued. I think Emery (our best defender) got fatigued from all the exertion.

It's very possible that LJ Rose and Yoeli or Davis coming off the bench would have been huge for the team. We could have spelled our starters for longer, more often, and actually scored and not turned the ball over when the subs came in.

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2017-03-29T09:00:30-06:00 2017-03-29T09:00:30-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235806#p235806 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]>
No bench mentions? We had the worst scoring bench in the nation. We have young talent coming off missions that will help (Andrus, Dalton Nixon, possibly Seljaas coming back next year). With a healthy Peyton Dastrup that is already sounding good, and my guess is guys like Beo will get the boot when things get a little crunchy if we get a JC transfer or two.

The starters played pretty well, Emery included. They just played too much.
I only mentioned the starting lineup talking about inexperience. The Bench was part of the inexperience and was probably why it played so poorly. If our only Sr's hadn't gotten injured, the bench probably would have played better. Plus my 3 reasons were what I was saying were the main reasons. There were tons more but those were my main ones. And Emery was a shadow of the player he was as a freshman this year. He played far from well.

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2017-03-28T21:56:10-06:00 2017-03-28T21:56:10-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235804#p235804 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]>
The starters played pretty well, Emery included. They just played too much.

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2017-03-28T10:54:35-06:00 2017-03-28T10:54:35-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235801#p235801 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]>
Haws got my expectations up with that first game of the season but I'll give him a pass. I agree with what you said on Emery. He looked like a superstar in the making as a Fr and heading into this past season I thought he was going to be our leading scorer with Mika shaking off the mission dust. I always hear so much about how the biggest leap in improvement is from Fr to So...hopefully Emery is just a year late on that.

Emery is not the main issue, but like you said, his lack of improvement was one of the contributing factors in our disappointing season.
Yeah, you are right. Don't misinterpret what I am saying with point 3 everyone. I am not putting the blame on Emery, I'm just making a point about him being an important part of the LP3. If he were on his game this last year, BYU wouldn't have lost some of the head scratcher games. We need him to be at his best even if Mika comes back.

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2017-03-28T10:53:56-06:00 2017-03-28T10:53:56-06:00 https://www.cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?p=235800#p235800 <![CDATA[Re: My opinion on why BYU "under achieved" last season]]> Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:53 am


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