Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

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Postby Cougs_Rule » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:38 am

Boise State had to resort to trick plays to beat OK in that unforgettable BCS game.
BYU's offense will have to resort to some trick plays to beat Utah's defense.
Besides, of for no other reason than implementing a play book piece by piece to cut down on execution errors is not a bad thing. Seems like 90 if not most all coaches take this approach in the beginning of the season.
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Re: Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

Postby imuakahuku » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:45 am

Don't forget Riley was minus his go to guy too. I wanted to see Apo and Mathew (since no Hoff) do the quick pass and run that has seemed successful in the past.

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Re: Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

Postby jacksonman » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:23 am

George and Pitta were so open on these plays that he could have thrown the ball to me. We have plenty of playmakers to get the ball to, including Apo, Friel, Hill, Alisa, etc. We need more motion, more play action, more jump balls, etc. What is it with BYU and running it up the gut in the red zone??!! You think Doman would realize by now that this got Anae fired and he may want to try something different (ala Hill in the first half).
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Re: Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

Postby BlueIsBetter » Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:36 pm

SpiffCoug wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:Nobody is going to worry about that play. They will devote one quarter of a practice to cover the possible options. I don't mind them throwing it out there, although it didn't work. I love multiple option type plays. The thing is, they didn't throw that out there to make anyone worry. What do they have to worry about?

Think about it: Would you rather show that you can do a fake punt, (I know it wasn't a punt, stay with me here) or just *do* one (A la BSU) in game with the defense completely unprepared?

I don't know. Practice time is limited. Now we've forced opponents to spend time on a play they don't need to worry about. And maybe that time could have been spent preparing for a play we will run. It's sixes.


Again, I am using this as an example that BYU *DID NOT*, in fact, close their playbook. They simply just played conservatively. There is a difference. There was no reason to turn W's into an L, when you can kick field goals. Maybe we are arguing semantics, but I think it is different. BYU was *trying* to score TDs, but couldn't. Against a defense as bad as WSUs that is a bad, bad thing.

I think more than anything we let off the gas and didn't do anymore risky plays, ran out of gas, and also WSU adjusted in the second half. That we can't score in the red zone running non-risky plays against that bad of a defense does not bode well for us. I don't like the idea that we need to be overly risky (50/50 jump ball, Riley getting a helmet to helmet hit on a run) in order to score in the red zone. But that is what I saw. It worked against a bad defense, it won't in the future.
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Re: Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

Postby Cougarbib » Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:51 pm

BlueIsBetter wrote:
SpiffCoug wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:Nobody is going to worry about that play. They will devote one quarter of a practice to cover the possible options. I don't mind them throwing it out there, although it didn't work. I love multiple option type plays. The thing is, they didn't throw that out there to make anyone worry. What do they have to worry about?

Think about it: Would you rather show that you can do a fake punt, (I know it wasn't a punt, stay with me here) or just *do* one (A la BSU) in game with the defense completely unprepared?

I don't know. Practice time is limited. Now we've forced opponents to spend time on a play they don't need to worry about. And maybe that time could have been spent preparing for a play we will run. It's sixes.


Again, I am using this as an example that BYU *DID NOT*, in fact, close their playbook. They simply just played conservatively. There is a difference. There was no reason to turn W's into an L, when you can kick field goals. Maybe we are arguing semantics, but I think it is different. BYU was *trying* to score TDs, but couldn't. Against a defense as bad as WSUs that is a bad, bad thing.

I think more than anything we let off the gas and didn't do anymore risky plays, ran out of gas, and also WSU adjusted in the second half. That we can't score in the red zone running non-risky plays against that bad of a defense does not bode well for us. I don't like the idea that we need to be overly risky (50/50 jump ball, Riley getting a helmet to helmet hit on a run) in order to score in the red zone. But that is what I saw. It worked against a bad defense, it won't in the future.


I did not see a bad defense. I did not see a great defense. I saw a defense that was only occasionally good and usually mediocre. Simply mediocre.

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Utah has a very good, possibly great defense.
ND - see Utah.
GT - see Utah.
BSU - I did not watch their game and thus have no firm opinion - although result of game would indicate that they may be reasonably good - not great

Yes - all will be better than WaZoo. Simply Better.
Anae just might be the guy. Wisconsin DC says Anae is totally unpredictable because he just runs a bunch of plays with no rhyme or reason. Whooped Butt on Houston DC for 3 of 4 quarters. Destroyed Texas DC and HC careers.
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Re: Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

Postby Gunk » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:04 pm

Against good teams last season we had trouble getting it into the endzone.

I'm worried about our play calling when we get within 10 yards. With 20 to go we seem to do alright, but once it's 1st and goal we become completely inept and find ourselves kicking field goals. Against WSU and half the other teams on our schedule that will be fine. Against, Utah, BSU, ND and GT we'll need touchdowns as we can't rely on our defense holding these teams to zero TDs.
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Re: Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

Postby BlueIsBetter » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:05 pm

Cougarbib wrote:
I did not see a bad defense. I did not see a great defense. I saw a defense that was only occasionally good and usually mediocre. Simply mediocre.

Conversely
Utah has a very good, possibly great defense.
ND - see Utah.
GT - see Utah.
BSU - I did not watch their game and thus have no firm opinion - although result of game would indicate that they may be reasonably good - not great

Yes - all will be better than WaZoo. Simply Better.



You didn't see a bad defense?

You didn't see BYU WR's just walking into the endzone wide open on easy corner routes? You didn't see them missing EASY interceptions?
You didn't see them giving up a 7 yard per carry average to the outside?
You didn't see their DBs giving our WRs somewhere around a 16 yard cushion?
You didn't see one or two of our WRs open every single play, all game, on basic routes?
Did you see press coverage one time that game?
How about the linebacker's not knowing their zone, and receivers getting double covered leaving others wide open?

They were a bad defense and if the offense doesn't pick up the slack by scoring 30+ points a game, I don't think they win more than 2 or 3 games this year. Which is pretty much the same thing they have done each year. WSU didn't need Mike Leach as a coach. They scored fine last year. They need a defensive genius like Mendenhall as coach.

This was not a bowl team that we played. The offense was mediocre against our incredible defense. The defense was bad against our average offense.
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Re: Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

Postby hawkwing » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:13 pm

I think it's still too early to know if Wash St. defense is so bad. They did have all pac12 corner playing, but what does that mean? They need 2 or 3 more games to see if they are terrible, bad, or just got beat by a better team.
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Re: Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

Postby BlueIsBetter » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:18 pm

hawkwing wrote:I think it's still too early to know if Wash St. defense is so bad. They did have all pac12 corner playing, but what does that mean? They need 2 or 3 more games to see if they are terrible, bad, or just got beat by a better team.


Let's hope it is the latter! ;)
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Re: Difficulties getting into the Endzone: 2011 vs 2012

Postby jacksonman » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:41 pm

I agree that the play calling seems atrocious once we get inside the red zone or to scoring time (Anae vs Utah). Doman seems to be stuck in the Anae era once he gets here, and has been even more inefficient than Anae so far.

That was nothing more than an average to below average defense at best, and we couldn't score touchdowns 4 straight trips to the red zone. That is a huge cause for concern. Hopefully he learns that you have to force the defense to cover the flats, the corners and the back of the end zone if you are going to try plays up the gut with less than 10 yards to go. Three straight plays up the gut from the 10 should be cause for a firing unless you have a huge offensive line and have been dominating the line of scrimmage all game (which we haven't done for years).
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