BoiseBYU wrote:Now you guys all love Bronco? With friends like you, who needs enemies? I get more than ever that when things do not go perfectly, message boards become a place for many to rant and rave. But seriously, the anger at Bronco and certain student athletes has been shamefully over the top. I'm not sure I'd agree with everything in the article, but I think it is true that Bronco has challenges coaching at BYU that no other coach has and that it does make for a more difficult assignment. Between the honor code, academics, missions, to name a few, these are things the BYU coach hasn't deal with that no one else has to to the same degree. Whit doesn't. Peterson doesn't Kelly doesn't. Those difficulties make winning harder. Deal with it
Gucci33 wrote:I was one of the few calling for his head after his bonehead call against Boise. But after hearing some of the "fans" on the radio call in shows I'm not sure you can ever please anyone. We as fans think we know all. I would like Bronco to concentrate on just defense and hire a veteran ol and oc coach. Though I believe his pride would never allow him to step down to a dc only role.
stuckinbig10country wrote:The writer loses all credibility in his first 2 paragraphs. Saying Bronco is in a worse position than the Penn State coach is just dumb. Then he says that the BYU admin isn't concerned with winning (tell that to Vance Law). Then he encourages Bronco to just leave on his terms instead of staying around? Even if the rest of the article were spot on (which I doubt), the author loses all credibility with his intro.
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Cougarfan87 wrote:BoiseBYU wrote:Now you guys all love Bronco? With friends like you, who needs enemies? I get more than ever that when things do not go perfectly, message boards become a place for many to rant and rave. But seriously, the anger at Bronco and certain student athletes has been shamefully over the top. I'm not sure I'd agree with everything in the article, but I think it is true that Bronco has challenges coaching at BYU that no other coach has and that it does make for a more difficult assignment. Between the honor code, academics, missions, to name a few, these are things the BYU coach hasn't deal with that no one else has to to the same degree. Whit doesn't. Peterson doesn't Kelly doesn't. Those difficulties make winning harder. Deal with it
Nobody is arguing that those aren't challenges unique to BYU. Having fans with almost impossibly high expectations is not (there is already talk of firing Chizick at Auburn two seasons removed from a national championship). Of course, Bronco has done nothing but talk about getting to the highest level of the game, so those expectations remain high. And they should.
The problem is the author mistakes having criticism for the way a situation has been handled with wanting the coach to be fired. Furthermore, the article sites the limitations as reasons we should be satisfied with the results we are getting. Bronco is not satisfied. If you have ever heard him speak at a fireside, he believes it is a competitive advantage and will be a shining example when the team goes undefeated.
No one that I know of has said Bronco should be fired. If they have they are loony. However, many have criticized the way we play Utah, the decision to play an injured, ineffective QB in the last two games, the decision to go for two (although that one is arguable), and the indefensible decision not to onside kick it after missing the two point conversion. None of that says, "Bronco should therefore be fired." The article takes the criticism beyond what the criticism was meant to address. Instead of recognizing that issues exist with clock management, loyalty to an injured player above the good of the team, and turnovers, the author makes it seem like everyone is calling for Bronco's head. No one is saying that.
The vast majority of the firing talk has all been about Weber (and deservedly so). The poll on this site even showed that most people want to give Doman another year as well.
It is a complete straw man argument meant to defend Bronco about his decision making without addressing whether there are issues with the decision making based on an emotional plea. In short, garbage.
bengel wrote:I don't think that fan expectation of the coaches at BYU is all that much different from fans expectations at any program that is used to winning.
True, but fan(atic) and realist should never be combined. Realistic fan is an oxymoron. Realists temper expectations by considering all factors. Fans don't. This does not mean realistic BYU supporters will never have a basis for expecting success or improvement.
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