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mormonrasta wrote:This will be BYU's best year under Bronco. It is a talented roster (by BYU standards) and most of the best players are actually upper classmen!!!! We haven't had that since '09.

Compare and Contrast
Star Power
Start with QB, TEs, RB, FB, WR, OL in that order.

QB - winningest ever Vs injury prone, fiesty, weaker arm guy who can run - advantage Max Hall
TE - seems like 2009 still had Pitta and George IIRC vs who knows what 2012 has
FB - Tonga or whomever it was that year Vs Potential
RB - Harvey Unga va a guy that hopes to be a mini version of Unga
WR- Was Collie still there? No. 2012 does match up or exceed.
OL - Serviceable Vs Who knows what - possibly about even at best
Easier vs Tougher schedule re # times underdog on the road

Hopefully 2012 brings some pleasant surprises.

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I think Collie was gone. But the focus was on Pitta, Unga and George...Advantage definitely 2009 on Offense.
But what of Defense? Just eyeball-ing, guessing, would say this D is likely better than 2009. So, a wash? Even-Stephen?

dmcougar wrote:I think Collie was gone. But the focus was on Pitta, Unga and George...Advantage definitely 2009 on Offense.
But what of Defense? Just eyeball-ing, guessing, would say this D is likely better than 2009. So, a wash? Even-Stephen?

Someone with access to a computer for research or that has a better memory than me could compare the defenses position by position. I think 2009 DL wins, 2012 LB wins, 2012 DB wins. Overall 2012 D wins.

ST - memory fades - but 2012 seems to have more kicking questions.

I think the D makes up for only part of the O gap.

And - maybe the O will have some surprises.

And, it is not clear, yet, whether the new coaches are better than the old ones.

Maybe some pleasant surprises there in year 2.

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BYU's 2012 defense will be head and shoulders better than it was in 09. Even if our Dline(and it wasn't much better if at all) was better in 09, the linebackers and secondary will be much better this year and the d will be better coached this year as well.

I think the offense in 09 had less question marks going into the season but this years offense has potential to be very good. We have better overall recievers than we had then because in 09 we had pitta at TE but our recieving group wasn't nearly as talented as we have this year. I have said it before, this offense averages 30 pts per game (and IMO that is very attainable with the talent we have even if Riley goes down and Lark has to take over) we will have a very special year because our defense is going to be VERY good this year.

By the way Collie left after the 08 season. 09 would have been his sr year but he left early much to Mars chagrin.

I would put the 2009 safety combo of Johnson/Rich up against any in maybe BYU's entire program history but certainly of the Crowton/Mendenhall eras. Overall the 2012 DBs should be better but man, watching Scotty and Andrew captain the defense in '09 was pretty sweet. Without question, this could be our best LB corps ever. Wouldn't it have been nice if JP could have gotten a medical redshirt and played one more year? Scary!

Position 2009 2012
QB Max Hall Riley Nelson
HB Harvey Unga Michael Alisa
FB Bryan Kariya Zed Mendenhall
WR1 McKay Jacobsen Cody Hoffman
WR2 Luke Ashworth Ross Apo
TE1 Dennis Pitta Marcus Matthews
TE2 Andrew George Austin Holt
LT Matt Reynolds (So.) Ryker Matthews
LG Jason Speredon Solomone Kafu
C RJ Willing Blair Tushuas
RG Terence Brown Brock Stringham
RT Nick Alletto Braden Brown

DE1 Jan Jorgensen Eathyn Manumaleuna
DE2 Brett Denney Ian Dulan
DT Rick Wolfley Romney Fuga
SLB Jordane Pendleton Spencer Hadley
MLB Matt Bauman Uona Kaveinga
BLB2 Terrence Hooks Brandon Ogletree
WLB Colby Clawson Kyle Van Noy
FC Brian Logan (Jr.) Jordan Johnson
KAT Andrew Rich Daniel Sorensen
FS Scott Johnson Joe Sampson
BC Brandon Bradley Preston Hadley

K Mitch Payne Justin Sorensen
P Riley Stephenson Riley Stephenson
KOR O'Niel Chambers Cody Hoffman
PR O'Niel Chambers JD Falslev

2009 Depth Chart from http://cfn.scout.com/2/878350.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2012 Depth Chart from http://www.ksl.com/?sid=21663468&nid=49 ... ugar-day-9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Personally I'd take the 2012 team for offense, defense and special teams, though there are some positions I would take the 2009 players over the current players they are fewer than the ones I prefer current players.

Mythranor wrote:Position 2009 2012
QB Max Hall Riley Nelson
HB Harvey Unga Michael Alisa
FB Bryan Kariya Zed Mendenhall
WR1 McKay Jacobsen Cody Hoffman
WR2 Luke Ashworth Ross Apo
TE1 Dennis Pitta Marcus Matthews
TE2 Andrew George Austin Holt
LT Matt Reynolds (So.) Ryker Matthews
LG Jason Speredon Solomone Kafu
C RJ Willing Blair Tushuas
RG Terence Brown Brock Stringham
RT Nick Alletto Braden Brown

DE1 Jan Jorgensen Eathyn Manumaleuna
DE2 Brett Denney Ian Dulan
DT Rick Wolfley Romney Fuga
SLB Jordane Pendleton Spencer Hadley
MLB Matt Bauman Uona Kaveinga
BLB2 Terrence Hooks Brandon Ogletree
WLB Colby Clawson Kyle Van Noy
FC Brian Logan (Jr.) Jordan Johnson
KAT Andrew Rich Daniel Sorensen
FS Scott Johnson Joe Sampson
BC Brandon Bradley Preston Hadley

K Mitch Payne Justin Sorensen
P Riley Stephenson Riley Stephenson
KOR O'Niel Chambers Cody Hoffman
PR O'Niel Chambers JD Falslev

2009 Depth Chart from http://cfn.scout.com/2/878350.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2012 Depth Chart from http://www.ksl.com/?sid=21663468&nid=49 ... ugar-day-9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Personally I'd take the 2012 team for offense, defense and special teams, though there are some positions I would take the 2009 players over the current players they are fewer than the ones I prefer current players.

ON that list the only players I would trade are on offense and IMO there wouldn't be many of them. IMO only QB TE (both of them). On defense I might consider trading for Rich but IMO Sorenson is going to make everyone forget about Rich this year. He was pretty good last year coming right off of a mission having not played that position before.

Cougarbib2 wrote:

mormonrasta wrote:This will be BYU's best year under Bronco. It is a talented roster (by BYU standards) and most of the best players are actually upper classmen!!!! We haven't had that since '09.

Compare and Contrast
Star Power
Start with QB, TEs, RB, FB, WR, OL in that order.

QB - winningest ever Vs injury prone, fiesty, weaker arm guy who can run - advantage Max Hall
TE - seems like 2009 still had Pitta and George IIRC vs who knows what 2012 has
FB - Tonga or whomever it was that year Vs Potential
RB - Harvey Unga va a guy that hopes to be a mini version of Unga
WR- Was Collie still there? No. 2012 does match up or exceed.
OL - Serviceable Vs Who knows what - possibly about even at best
Easier vs Tougher schedule re # times underdog on the road

Hopefully 2012 brings some pleasant surprises.

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2009 Oline had 5 guys that got NFL paychecks.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

Cougarbib2 wrote:

mormonrasta wrote:This will be BYU's best year under Bronco. It is a talented roster (by BYU standards) and most of the best players are actually upper classmen!!!! We haven't had that since '09.

Compare and Contrast
Star Power
Start with QB, TEs, RB, FB, WR, OL in that order.

QB - winningest ever Vs injury prone, fiesty, weaker arm guy who can run - advantage Max Hall
TE - seems like 2009 still had Pitta and George IIRC vs who knows what 2012 has
FB - Tonga or whomever it was that year Vs Potential
RB - Harvey Unga va a guy that hopes to be a mini version of Unga
WR- Was Collie still there? No. 2012 does match up or exceed.
OL - Serviceable Vs Who knows what - possibly about even at best
Easier vs Tougher schedule re # times underdog on the road

Hopefully 2012 brings some pleasant surprises.

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2009 Oline had 5 guys that got NFL paychecks.

Which five here's the list of offensive linemen from that roster off byucougars.com
Nick Alletto - Didn't find any info on NFL draft or FA contract with a google search
Terrance Alletto - Still on team
Braden Brown Didn't find any info on NFL draft or FA contract with a google search
Terence Brown - FA signed with Miami Dolphins
Andrew Crawford - Freshman in 09 can't find any information after that
Ryan Freeman - Didn't find any info on NFL draft or FA contract with a google search
Braden Hansen - Currently a Senior
Ryan Mulitalo - Redshirted in 09 no information since
Austin Nielsen - Junior in 2011 not on 2012 roster
Houston Reynolds - Still on team
Matt Reynolds - FA signed with Carolina Panthers
Jason Speredon - FA signed with Arizona Cardinals
Marco Thorson - Didn't find any info on NFL draft or FA contract with a google search
Fono Vakalahi - Left team this year
RJ Willing - Didn't find any info on NFL draft or FA contract with a google search

Still on team this year: 3
No information after graduation or after 2009 season or left team: 9
NFL as Free Agents:3

Mythranor wrote: Position 2009 2012

FB Bryan Kariya Zed Mendenhall

If I'm remembering right, in 2009, our FB wasn't Kariya, it was Manase Tonga. I don't think any FB we have this year will be as good as Tonga.