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SHIZ wrote:in the middle of our 3rd year in search of a QB, its funny to see the other team plug in their backup who hasn't seen the field in 2 years and have him throw perfectly placed balls all over the field.

makes you wonder if lark could do anything like that, or if lark is just so bad that the coaches don't trust putting him out there.

BPcougs wrote:Does anybody really think Riley is good? The 2nd pick was on Apo? Really? Riley threw a 10 yard pass in the dirt haha. The 3rd pick wasn't even close. Riley is a joke of a qb. Give Lark a chance, he deserves one.

pjmuli wrote:Sometimes in these Nelson discussions I wonder if we were watching the same game. Yes, Apo popped that pass up...but I am really curious to see how anyone can legitimately claim that the throw was anything but a complete and total piece of crap.

Basically, Nelson showed us who he is...capable of doing some things that really help the team, but ultimately he just can't throw the ball well enough to succeed at this level. Those WR screen passes were just plain awful. Rarely our passes thrown well enough that we can get yards after the catch.

I wouldn't get too pumped about Riley's yards...nearly 100 of those yard came on the shovel option to JWilliams.

By now, anyone who claims otherwise is basically stubborn and unwilling to see things that are plainly obvious. I guess I don't see why that observation is so controversial?

Also, you find me another quarterback anywhere who has turned the ball over 13 times in 11 quarters of play and experiences NO heat in terms of losing his starting position.

I think what creates the controversy is the coaching staff's complete and total devotion to Nelson. I really think creating an offense around his strengths was a fools errand.

snoscythe wrote:

pjmuli wrote:Sometimes in these Nelson discussions I wonder if we were watching the same game. Yes, Apo popped that pass up...but I am really curious to see how anyone can legitimately claim that the throw was anything but a complete and total piece of crap.

Basically, Nelson showed us who he is...capable of doing some things that really help the team, but ultimately he just can't throw the ball well enough to succeed at this level. Those WR screen passes were just plain awful. Rarely our passes thrown well enough that we can get yards after the catch.

I wouldn't get too pumped about Riley's yards...nearly 100 of those yard came on the shovel option to JWilliams.

By now, anyone who claims otherwise is basically stubborn and unwilling to see things that are plainly obvious. I guess I don't see why that observation is so controversial?

Also, you find me another quarterback anywhere who has turned the ball over 13 times in 11 quarters of play and experiences NO heat in terms of losing his starting position.

I think what creates the controversy is the coaching staff's complete and total devotion to Nelson. I really think creating an offense around his strengths was a fools errand.

I don't disagree with any of this, in fact, I agree with all of it. My point isn't that it was a good pass--my point is that if you are going to critique RN, be honest about it and don't come on here and say "it was RN's fault we lost the game because of his three picks"--because the #2 pick despite being a bad throw, was not on RN--Apo got 2 hands on it and should have caught it, but instead he took a ball that should have been either complete or incomplete, and put that ball where a defender could get it. This is coming from a former receiver. I never said Nelson played well, I'm just saying you can't put this loss on him because of the 2nd and 3rd interceptions--the 2nd was the receiver's fault, and the 3rd was meaningless after the game was out of hand. That's all I've said.

Bronco's benchmark is to score 20+ and hold the other team to less than 20. The defense didn't get it done today. Riley is Riley, and he played better than we thought, but still left much to be desired. Despite that, if our secondary showed up and if our DLine could have gotten consistent pressure, BYU wins.

I pin this loss on BYU's secondary and on OSU's OLine.

Jarhead wrote: We lose as a team; however if you are to choose a unit, it is the defense that didn't meet or exceed the minimum expectations to achieve a win. The first 35 points were squarely on the shoulders of the OSU offense taking it to our defense. The offense isn't good enough to overcome that and wasn't expected to going in to this game. I think OSU proved they are a legit top 10 team.

I think we all can agree that the offense is not what it needs to be long term, but they produced at least as much as could have been expected in this game, and it should have been good enough. OSU had some outstanding throws and catches and a few lucky bounces.