Dose of reality

[Wolverine]

Andy Reid at HC. Move Bronco to DC and grab Bevell for OC. Boom!

Ask seattle seahawk fans how much they like Bevell. I think you would be surprised by the answer.

That right there is the dose of reality of any and all fan bases when things go south.

[frdbtr]

Andy Reid at HC. Move Bronco to DC and grab Bevell for OC. Boom!

Ask seattle seahawk fans how much they like Bevell. I think you would be surprised by the answer.

That right there is the dose of reality of any and all fan bases when things go south.

They've been complaining about his vanilla play calling for years. Even during the Superbowl win year, they wanted him gone. The Pass on the half yard line in last years superbowl and the poor play of the offense this year has cooked them for good. I don't think he will be there much longer.

[KingCoug]

The likely future of BYU Football is to get rid of a coach who wins 8-10 wins a season, replace him with someone who goes 5-7ish for 4 years, replace him with someone who goes 8-10 win seasons for 6 or 7 years, until fans get tired of consistent winning and replace him with another 4 years of 5-7ish.

So, do you see BYU trending upward in the last 5 years, or downward? How about the last ten? Is it an upward swing or a downward one?

Bronco's first five years he had four 10 or 11 win seasons, was 3-2 vs Utah, 3-0 vs Utah State, 3-1 in bowl games, and finished ranked four times. And his overall best team is still 2006.

His second five years he had one 10 win season, a 7 win season, and three straight 8 win seasons. He went 0-4 vs Utah, 3-2 vs Utah State, 3-2 in bowl games, and finished ranked only once.

We also went from a bunch of players in the NFL when Bronco took over to relatively few.

The trend is obvious.

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Who do you want to replace him with???????????

Even if we have nobody to replace him with, the trend still speaks for itself. Besides, that's why Holmoe gets paid the big bucks.

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[BoiseBYU]

Several of you speak of trends, but to really know if there is a trend, you need to determine SOS. Comparing a ten win season against a 100 SOS schedule five years ago to an 8-5 season against a 60 SOS does not tell you that there is trend downward. Or vice versa. And trends aren't trends if seasons are significantly impacted by injuries or student withdrawals. At least that's my thinking. Has someone looked and tried to account for these factors?

[Wolverine]

Okay, let's play a game. Based on the statistics below, can you name the coach and the program? Here is a coach in his 17th season leading a P5 program. Do you notice any "trends" over the course of those 17 years? Would you have pulled the trigger on this coach based on the 'trend" of the past five seasons? Do you think that at any point in time during this coach's tenure there were certain fans of this fan base unhappy and clamoring for this coach to be fired along with his staff? Do you think that those fans who appreciated the hard work and commitment of this coach and his staff, despite some ups and downs, were accused of being "blind", having "low expectations", and just "seeing the Emperor's New Clothes"? Do you think this coach is currently on the hot seat and in danger of being fired after this season?
Year G W L T Pct
1999
11 1 10 0 .091
2000
12 3 9 0 .250
2001
12 7 5 0 .583
2002
13 11 2 0 .846
2003
13 10 3 0 .769
2004
12 10 2 0 .833
2005
12 7 5 0 .583
2006
13 6 7 0 .462
2007
12 6 6 0 .500
2008
13 9 4 0 .692
2009
13 11 2 0 .846
2010
13 8 5 0 .615
2011
13 7 6 0 .538
2012
12 4 8 0 .333
2013
13 8 5 0 .615
2014
13 7 6 0 .538
2015
10 10 0 0 1.000
210 125 85 0 .595

[BroncoBot]

Even if we have nobody to replace him with, the trend still speaks for itself. Besides, that's why Holmoe gets paid the big bucks.

I'm fine with Holmoe getting paid the big bucks to decide that the coaches here are the best available and not hiring a mistake

[redneckjedi]

Okay, let's play a game. Based on the statistics below, can you name the coach and the program? Here is a coach in his 17th season leading a P5 program. Do you notice any "trends" over the course of those 17 years? Would you have pulled the trigger on this coach based on the 'trend" of the past five seasons? Do you think that at any point in time during this coach's tenure there were certain fans of this fan base unhappy and clamoring for this coach to be fired along with his staff? Do you think that those fans who appreciated the hard work and commitment of this coach and his staff, despite some ups and downs, were accused of being "blind", having "low expectations", and just "seeing the Emperor's New Clothes"? Do you think this coach is currently on the hot seat and in danger of being fired after this season?
Year G W L T Pct
1999
11 1 10 0 .091
2000
12 3 9 0 .250
2001
12 7 5 0 .583
2002
13 11 2 0 .846
2003
13 10 3 0 .769
2004
12 10 2 0 .833
2005
12 7 5 0 .583
2006
13 6 7 0 .462
2007
12 6 6 0 .500
2008
13 9 4 0 .692
2009
13 11 2 0 .846
2010
13 8 5 0 .615
2011
13 7 6 0 .538
2012
12 4 8 0 .333
2013
13 8 5 0 .615
2014
13 7 6 0 .538
2015
10 10 0 0 1.000
210 125 85 0 .595

Man, whoever this guy is, he really knows how to wet the bed. Never less than 2 losses? Should have been fired after 2005.

[snoscythe]

Okay, let's play a game. Based on the statistics below, can you name the coach and the program? Here is a coach in his 17th season leading a P5 program. Do you notice any "trends" over the course of those 17 years? Would you have pulled the trigger on this coach based on the 'trend" of the past five seasons? Do you think that at any point in time during this coach's tenure there were certain fans of this fan base unhappy and clamoring for this coach to be fired along with his staff? Do you think that those fans who appreciated the hard work and commitment of this coach and his staff, despite some ups and downs, were accused of being "blind", having "low expectations", and just "seeing the Emperor's New Clothes"? Do you think this coach is currently on the hot seat and in danger of being fired after this season?
Year G W L T Pct
1999
11 1 10 0 .091
2000
12 3 9 0 .250
2001
12 7 5 0 .583
2002
13 11 2 0 .846
2003
13 10 3 0 .769
2004
12 10 2 0 .833
2005
12 7 5 0 .583
2006
13 6 7 0 .462
2007
12 6 6 0 .500
2008
13 9 4 0 .692
2009
13 11 2 0 .846
2010
13 8 5 0 .615
2011
13 7 6 0 .538
2012
12 4 8 0 .333
2013
13 8 5 0 .615
2014
13 7 6 0 .538
2015
10 10 0 0 1.000
210 125 85 0 .595

Kirk Ferentz. Iowa. Not sure this guy really proves the point you are trying to make though...

Ferentz is a coach who has turned his career around this season by, after an embarrassing loss in the TaxSlayer Bowl last year, thrown out all the new-age feel-goodery and taken a "back-to-basics" approach in his coaching. In January, nearly all the local media and fans were calling for Ferentz to be fired based on his marked lack of improvement.

If Kirk Ferentz is your model, the question becomes--is Bronco capable of the same self-reinvention to do some plateau-busting of his own like Kirk Ferentz did this off-season when it became apparent that his approach over the previous five years was not working?

A lot of Iowa's success this year is attributable to the dissatisfied fans who made their voices heard loudly enough to make the coach take steps to improve rather than continuing down his path.

[stuckinbig10country]

Okay, let's play a game. Based on the statistics below, can you name the coach and the program? Here is a coach in his 17th season leading a P5 program. Do you notice any "trends" over the course of those 17 years? Would you have pulled the trigger on this coach based on the 'trend" of the past five seasons? Do you think that at any point in time during this coach's tenure there were certain fans of this fan base unhappy and clamoring for this coach to be fired along with his staff? Do you think that those fans who appreciated the hard work and commitment of this coach and his staff, despite some ups and downs, were accused of being "blind", having "low expectations", and just "seeing the Emperor's New Clothes"? Do you think this coach is currently on the hot seat and in danger of being fired after this season?
Year G W L T Pct
1999
11 1 10 0 .091
2000
12 3 9 0 .250
2001
12 7 5 0 .583
2002
13 11 2 0 .846
2003
13 10 3 0 .769
2004
12 10 2 0 .833
2005
12 7 5 0 .583
2006
13 6 7 0 .462
2007
12 6 6 0 .500
2008
13 9 4 0 .692
2009
13 11 2 0 .846
2010
13 8 5 0 .615
2011
13 7 6 0 .538
2012
12 4 8 0 .333
2013
13 8 5 0 .615
2014
13 7 6 0 .538
2015
10 10 0 0 1.000
210 125 85 0 .595

Man, whoever this guy is, he really knows how to wet the bed. Never less than 2 losses? Should have been fired after 2005.

You do realize his first year was 1-10, right? The first number is the amount of games played that year. He's had 3 losing seasons, including one 3 years ago.

Anyone who can't tell the difference in the team's talent level (up...way up) since Bronco's first few teams is insane. The talent level this year over last year alone is crazy different. The strength of schedule is so much better right now than BYU has ever played, yet Bronco continues to win at a rate comparable to Lavell Edwards, and probably close to doubling every other BYU coach ever (win%).

If you look at any consecutive 11 seasons in Edwards 29 years as coach, you will see that Bronco approaches the same winning percentage over that time, and actually exceeds it for good portions, especially at the end. And he does so playing a tougher SOS, with more school imposed restrictions, tougher enforcement of the honor code, less scholarships, and more teams across the country trying to be good at football (and several schools having much more money to do it with).

When Bronco leaves, it's much more probable BYU will hire a Mike Locksley at UNM type than an Urban Meyer at Utah type.

[YNot]

A lot of Iowa's success this year is attributable to the dissatisfied fans who made their voices heard loudly enough to make the coach take steps to improve rather than continuing down his path.

And the fact that Iowa doesn't play Ohio St., Michigan St., Michigan, or Penn St. during the regular season and has Iowa St. as its OOC rival.