What I like about Basketball

[Cougarbib]

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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[Gunk]

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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Again, if tiny private schools like most of the WCC are able to fund sports programs - basketball, baseball, swim, track, soccer, etc. - both men's and women's teams without the benevolence of football program, why on earth do you think a school as large and we'll funded as BYU would struggle to do so?

Now, the softball team may not have as nice equipment, stay in as nice hotels, or have as good coaches as they do with football, but their existence at BYU is not dependent on football.

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[Wolverine]

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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Again, if tiny private schools like most of the WCC are able to fund sports programs - basketball, baseball, swim, track, soccer, etc. - both men's and women's teams without the benevolence of football program, why on earth do you think a school as large and we'll funded as BYU would struggle to do so?

Now, the softball team may not have as nice equipment, stay in as nice hotels, or have as good coaches as they do with football, but their existence at BYU is not dependent on football.

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I am in agreement with Gunk on this one. There are numerous universities who have solid men' and women's athletic programs without the benefit of a big time football program. Many of them are private Catholic universities like those in the WCC and the likes of schools such as Marquette, Villanova, Creighton, etc. Your Ivy League schools are quite solid overall as well. A couple of state sponsored schools such as Wichita State and VCU come to mind as well. In the 2012-2013 Sears Directors Cup final ranking which measure the overall success of the athletic programs, 22 of the top 100 programs do not sponsor football at the FBS level. BYU would do just fine IMO.

[Cougarbib]

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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Again, if tiny private schools like most of the WCC are able to fund sports programs - basketball, baseball, swim, track, soccer, etc. - both men's and women's teams without the benevolence of football program, why on earth do you think a school as large and we'll funded as BYU would struggle to do so?

Now, the softball team may not have as nice equipment, stay in as nice hotels, or have as good coaches as they do with football, but their existence at BYU is not dependent on football.

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Totally agree Gunk. That is what I meant by subsidized. I did not say they would become extinct.

Any sport at any school is subsidized by something, unless it's broadcast revenue and ticket sales cover all expenses. They might get subsidized by donor contributions, tuition, revenue from other sports, tax payers, tithing, or whatever is available.

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[rblack]

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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BYU had an attendance of 238,131 for all basketball games last year. Assuming an average of $8 per ticket, BYU made about 2 million in basketball ticket sales alone. That is not including advertising, sponsorships, cougarclub, concessions, donations or TV revenues. By the time you add all those things in, the basketball team supports itself, even with the extra weight of carrying the women's team. By the way, attendance is up since we left the MWC.
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[Cougarbib]

Maybe. Maybe not. Consider the requirement to fund women's basketball if you have men's basketball. Does men's basketball fund that requirement? IDK.

If BYU ever drops football, I would expect to see the brand suffer for all sports.

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BYU had an attendance of 238,131 for all basketball games last year. Assuming an average of $8 per ticket, BYU made about 2 million in basketball ticket sales alone. That is not including advertising, sponsorships, cougarclub, concessions, donations or TV revenues. By the time you add all those things in, the basketball team supports itself, even with the extra weight of carrying the women's team. By the way, attendance is up since we left the MWC.
http://www.ncaa.org/championships/stati ... attendance" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I certainly agree that basketball is heavily subsidized by donations. Donation of the Mariott Center was huge. I hope they permanently endowed the maintenance of that building which is probably millions per year if you set aside for renovations and eventual replacement. The AD office has a sizeable administrative budget - probably funded heavily by football.

Donations would need to increase by the amount of any annual football surplus if football shut down, or all other sports would suffer.

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[Cougs_Rule]

Funding for a replacement MC? Too much Maui wowee, bib. BYU has to get a much needed bball practice facility long before they need to replace the MC. There are no major flaws that need correction about the MC other than the ugly yellow seating. And BYU is and will continue to work on that.

[Cougarbib]

Funding for a replacement MC? Too much Maui wowee, bib. BYU has to get a much needed bball practice facility long before they need to replace the MC. There are no major flaws that need correction about the MC other than the ugly yellow seating. And BYU is and will continue to work on that.

Forever is a long time. Responsible institutions plan for obsolescence over an expected lifetime and set aside reserves to be ready when the time comes. Example. Many on here probably resided at Deseret Towers. My mother was a head resident. Try to find one of those buildings today.

Even if the MC is never replaced, plumbing, electrical, heating, and AC systems need to be replaced over time and much of that work can be quite invasive. And if the trend for smaller arenas with luxury boxes forces some changes, those would be costly. Modernized scoreboards, ribbons, sound systems - all expensive.

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[Gunk]

Funding for a replacement MC? Too much Maui wowee, bib. BYU has to get a much needed bball practice facility long before they need to replace the MC. There are no major flaws that need correction about the MC other than the ugly yellow seating. And BYU is and will continue to work on that.

Forever is a long time. Responsible institutions plan for obsolescence over an expected lifetime and set aside reserves to be ready when the time comes. Example. Many on here probably resided at Deseret Towers. My mother was a head resident. Try to find one of those buildings today.

Even if the MC is never replaced, plumbing, electrical, heating, and AC systems need to be replaced over time and much of that work can be quite invasive. And if the trend for smaller arenas with luxury boxes forces some changes, those would be costly. Modernized scoreboards, ribbons, sound systems - all expensive.

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I don't think BYU would have any trouble raising funds to modernize the MC should they ever decide to. Seems about every year they're raising millions to build or update some building on campus.

The MC is used for more than just basketball games - weekly devotions, concerts, etc. It's a very utilitarian building.

[Cougarbib]

Funding for a replacement MC? Too much Maui wowee, bib. BYU has to get a much needed bball practice facility long before they need to replace the MC. There are no major flaws that need correction about the MC other than the ugly yellow seating. And BYU is and will continue to work on that.

Forever is a long time. Responsible institutions plan for obsolescence over an expected lifetime and set aside reserves to be ready when the time comes. Example. Many on here probably resided at Deseret Towers. My mother was a head resident. Try to find one of those buildings today.

Even if the MC is never replaced, plumbing, electrical, heating, and AC systems need to be replaced over time and much of that work can be quite invasive. And if the trend for smaller arenas with luxury boxes forces some changes, those would be costly. Modernized scoreboards, ribbons, sound systems - all expensive.

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I don't think BYU would have any trouble raising funds to modernize the MC should they ever decide to. Seems about every year they're raising millions to build or update some building on campus.

The MC is used for more than just basketball games - weekly devotions, concerts, etc. It's a very utilitarian building.

Utilitarian for sure. But few of those things produce revenue or inspire donors like sports teams will. Like all other things, money can be raised in time. It only took a decade to get an indoor practice facility. My only point is that BYU Football operates at a surplus. If that surplus went away, more funds would need to be raised elsewhere or belts tightened or a little of both.

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