Kyle Collinsworth's selfishness is losing BYU games.

[Brayden Green]

I personally don't think Emery is ready to be PG. He is trying to do the same things he did in high school against D-1 talent. That doesn't work at this level. How many times has he taken it in (and Fischer for that matter too) and been an easy block by one of the trees in the key. Kyle is able to play at the rim or above it so he is not so easily blocked. And if you don't believe me that the greatly increased athleticism isn't bothering Emery count how many times when he is the PG that he will take it in and either just force it up and get blocked or leave his feet and try to make a desperation pass.

Thanks imua. I respect your opinion and agree largely with what you have said. I don't see the above statement as being specifically to Emery. Collinsworth and Fischer (senior "guards") make the same mistake as much or more. I can't count on two hands how many times Kyle dribbles into triple teams a game, and then either forces a bad shot or turns it over.

Empty possessions are killing this team, because can't stop anyone playing zone defense. Chase and Kcoll are below average defenders and are out of position nearly all game.

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[imuakahuku]

I personally don't think Emery is ready to be PG. He is trying to do the same things he did in high school against D-1 talent. That doesn't work at this level. How many times has he taken it in (and Fischer for that matter too) and been an easy block by one of the trees in the key. Kyle is able to play at the rim or above it so he is not so easily blocked. And if you don't believe me that the greatly increased athleticism isn't bothering Emery count how many times when he is the PG that he will take it in and either just force it up and get blocked or leave his feet and try to make a desperation pass.

Thanks imua. I respect your opinion and agree largely with what you have said. I don't see the above statement as being specifically to Emery. Collinsworth and Fischer (senior "guards") make the same mistake as much or more. I can't count on two hands how many times Kyle dribbles into triple teams a game, and then either forces a bad shot or turns it over.

Empty possessions are killing this team, because can't stop anyone playing zone defense. Chase and Kcoll are below average defenders and are out of position nearly all game.

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I agree. KC does it too. He just gets away with it more because of his height. I guess my point with Emery is he can't get away with taking on trees as much as KC. But I am sure Emery will be the better scorer. I just wish he would pull up more instead of trying to take it all the way to the rim. I cringe every and I do mean every time KC takes a shot further than six inches from the rim. I almost never cringe when Emery shoots. Not even when it is from Jimmer land. I just wish he would learn to pull up in the key and pop it (I have never been a fan of floaters). I think Emery is a big time threat.

I also believe that the whole shot selection for this team sometime goes south. At times it seems nobody is either moving without the ball or they don't want to take the shot. I think if this team would just clean up the fundimentals they could become a real good team. As it is I think they have to win out the rest of the regular season and make the championship game to get an invite (which could mean two wins over SMC or Gonzaga).

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[frdbtr]

I personally don't think Emery is ready to be PG. He is trying to do the same things he did in high school against D-1 talent. That doesn't work at this level. How many times has he taken it in (and Fischer for that matter too) and been an easy block by one of the trees in the key. Kyle is able to play at the rim or above it so he is not so easily blocked. And if you don't believe me that the greatly increased athleticism isn't bothering Emery count how many times when he is the PG that he will take it in and either just force it up and get blocked or leave his feet and try to make a desperation pass. He has a lot to learn, the first of which is that he is not playing in high school anymore. Nearly every player on the court and on the bench was the best player on their previous team and many of them were first team or second team all state players from the last four years. Penetrate and dish, and when the forwards start fading to get out to the three point shooter fake it and pass to an open man behind the center and every so often fake the passes and lay it in or pull up for a 6 to 8 foot jumper because the D has no idea where you are going with the ball and are standing flat footed. When Emery starts doing that he will be devastating because he is a shooter (I bet would hit 70-80% of s-8ft pull up jumpers) whereas, KC needs to be at the rim to make the shot (he is one of the worst shooters I have ever seen-he splits his feet on three pointers!).

One of the big problems for our offense that I see is that our guards are not moving as well as they should and our offense is way off. Why does it keep happening when a guard penetrates that the kick out goes to Austin or KD or a non shooter? Every kick out should be going to an open three point shooter. When they do we hit way more three point shots because we get much cleaner looks. But for some reason the ball ends up in the hands of Austin on the outside way more times than it should.

Also we need someone to teach our guards how to run the pick and roll. They are AWFUL going around screens set by their teammates. Watch and see how much space there is when they go around it. They should be rubbing their teammate but instead they leave as much as a foot between them and the "screener". This lets the defender stay on them (or leads to an offensive foul) and then they don't get the split second they need to catch and shoot because the defender is already there. Also they never pass the ball on the roll (when our guy does roll). These are bball 101 and are ways to make the defense play back a little. Hit on a few nice rolls and watch how open the shooters get.

I think the biggest weakness is our D. We need a specialist to come in and teach them how to execute it. We give up way too many open three pointers because the off man keeps collapsing in way earlier than they should and is out of position. It's like they are trying to be sneaky or something and suddenly a quick pass finds their man open with an open three pointer.

That's my opinion (and what frustrates me most).

Everything you mentioned her is not a player issue, it is a coaching issue.

[imuakahuku]

I personally don't think Emery is ready to be PG. He is trying to do the same things he did in high school against D-1 talent. That doesn't work at this level. How many times has he taken it in (and Fischer for that matter too) and been an easy block by one of the trees in the key. Kyle is able to play at the rim or above it so he is not so easily blocked. And if you don't believe me that the greatly increased athleticism isn't bothering Emery count how many times when he is the PG that he will take it in and either just force it up and get blocked or leave his feet and try to make a desperation pass. He has a lot to learn, the first of which is that he is not playing in high school anymore. Nearly every player on the court and on the bench was the best player on their previous team and many of them were first team or second team all state players from the last four years. Penetrate and dish, and when the forwards start fading to get out to the three point shooter fake it and pass to an open man behind the center and every so often fake the passes and lay it in or pull up for a 6 to 8 foot jumper because the D has no idea where you are going with the ball and are standing flat footed. When Emery starts doing that he will be devastating because he is a shooter (I bet would hit 70-80% of s-8ft pull up jumpers) whereas, KC needs to be at the rim to make the shot (he is one of the worst shooters I have ever seen-he splits his feet on three pointers!).

One of the big problems for our offense that I see is that our guards are not moving as well as they should and our offense is way off. Why does it keep happening when a guard penetrates that the kick out goes to Austin or KD or a non shooter? Every kick out should be going to an open three point shooter. When they do we hit way more three point shots because we get much cleaner looks. But for some reason the ball ends up in the hands of Austin on the outside way more times than it should.

Also we need someone to teach our guards how to run the pick and roll. They are AWFUL going around screens set by their teammates. Watch and see how much space there is when they go around it. They should be rubbing their teammate but instead they leave as much as a foot between them and the "screener". This lets the defender stay on them (or leads to an offensive foul) and then they don't get the split second they need to catch and shoot because the defender is already there. Also they never pass the ball on the roll (when our guy does roll). These are bball 101 and are ways to make the defense play back a little. Hit on a few nice rolls and watch how open the shooters get.

I think the biggest weakness is our D. We need a specialist to come in and teach them how to execute it. We give up way too many open three pointers because the off man keeps collapsing in way earlier than they should and is out of position. It's like they are trying to be sneaky or something and suddenly a quick pass finds their man open with an open three pointer.

That's my opinion (and what frustrates me most).

Everything you mentioned her is not a player issue, it is a coaching issue.

Yep But it also means that most of this can be fixed.

[Cougs_Rule]

Some of you are showing your level of education. KCs is A Sr, a three year statrer at point (mostly) very experienced, shot at NBA (most certainly not as PG), A floor captain, team captain, and had the ball in his hands most of his HS and college playing career. I'm pretty certain Rose isnt telling him to drive into triple teams. Rose should get credit for not throwing in freshman who aren't ready to be PG. KC needs to wise up and when he has this team has done much better. But he gets selfish, careless, and to some degree seems arrogant. As does streaky Fisher.

[frdbtr]

I personally don't think Emery is ready to be PG. He is trying to do the same things he did in high school against D-1 talent. That doesn't work at this level. How many times has he taken it in (and Fischer for that matter too) and been an easy block by one of the trees in the key. Kyle is able to play at the rim or above it so he is not so easily blocked. And if you don't believe me that the greatly increased athleticism isn't bothering Emery count how many times when he is the PG that he will take it in and either just force it up and get blocked or leave his feet and try to make a desperation pass. He has a lot to learn, the first of which is that he is not playing in high school anymore. Nearly every player on the court and on the bench was the best player on their previous team and many of them were first team or second team all state players from the last four years. Penetrate and dish, and when the forwards start fading to get out to the three point shooter fake it and pass to an open man behind the center and every so often fake the passes and lay it in or pull up for a 6 to 8 foot jumper because the D has no idea where you are going with the ball and are standing flat footed. When Emery starts doing that he will be devastating because he is a shooter (I bet would hit 70-80% of s-8ft pull up jumpers) whereas, KC needs to be at the rim to make the shot (he is one of the worst shooters I have ever seen-he splits his feet on three pointers!).

One of the big problems for our offense that I see is that our guards are not moving as well as they should and our offense is way off. Why does it keep happening when a guard penetrates that the kick out goes to Austin or KD or a non shooter? Every kick out should be going to an open three point shooter. When they do we hit way more three point shots because we get much cleaner looks. But for some reason the ball ends up in the hands of Austin on the outside way more times than it should.

Also we need someone to teach our guards how to run the pick and roll. They are AWFUL going around screens set by their teammates. Watch and see how much space there is when they go around it. They should be rubbing their teammate but instead they leave as much as a foot between them and the "screener". This lets the defender stay on them (or leads to an offensive foul) and then they don't get the split second they need to catch and shoot because the defender is already there. Also they never pass the ball on the roll (when our guy does roll). These are bball 101 and are ways to make the defense play back a little. Hit on a few nice rolls and watch how open the shooters get.

I think the biggest weakness is our D. We need a specialist to come in and teach them how to execute it. We give up way too many open three pointers because the off man keeps collapsing in way earlier than they should and is out of position. It's like they are trying to be sneaky or something and suddenly a quick pass finds their man open with an open three pointer.

That's my opinion (and what frustrates me most).

Everything you mentioned her is not a player issue, it is a coaching issue.

Yep But it also means that most of this can be fixed.

I agree. Hopefully as the year goes on, we will see this stuff go away. I am a bit disappointed it has taken this long though after some of the early losses those lessons should have been learned. The loss at Portland is inexcusable IMO.

[Stirfry]

I'm afraid KC read this thread and now is killing us with unselfishness. No shots 15 minutes in and we're getting worked.

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[frdbtr]

The problem tonight is defense. LMU is shooting 80% from the field. Teams don't do that unless everything is wide open.

[Stirfry]

The problem tonight is defense. LMU is shooting 80% from the field. Teams don't do that unless everything is wide open.

It's amazing were this close when we allowed a 0-20 point run. 9/11 on threes was ridiculous

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[Cougs_Rule]

15 assists, 3-1 a-t ratio; 13 rebounds, 10 points = win. LMU IS decent. But if
KC could cut out a few TOs each game he would meet his full potential. Oh and 6 steals-- he was approaching a quadruple double. He does have weaknesses. So did Jimmer. If KC gets two more triples, and keeps sharing the ball, he could double old record. Unbelievable. Unbreakable. Yes Ws are more important, but just as announcer said, when he has ball in his hands, great things happen. He ain't perfect. AMAZINGLY!