Cruz dropping out. Good luck Trumpkins.

[Cougarfan87]

If Hillary wins, it's because of who voted for her, not who voted elsewhere.

Maybe - maybe not.

Look at the 1992 presidential election results.
Bill Clinton - 43%
George H.W. Bush - 37.4%
Ross Perot - 18.9%

If George H.W. Bush had been elected, a whole series of events would have been different. It's very possible 9/11 would have never happened. Because a wiser, ex-CIA director George Bush would most likely have taken more aggressive action against Osama bin Laden. Speculation of course. But, it's well documented Bill Clinton had bin Laden in his sights and called off the kill mission.

No question, all those well meaning principled Ross Perot votes kept the better man out of office.

I understand your point. The problem is that Trump is no George H.W. Bush. In many respects he could be worse than Clinton. Do we think that he will pick conservative justices for the Supreme Court? Do we think that the lavish Trump will reign in spending? Do we think he will actually protect second amendment rights, when he is on record as having supported what President Obama said after the Newtown shootings about guns? He is lying to the Republicans. He is the biggest Trojan horse the party has ever seen.

There is an alternative. Deny both of them the electoral votes necessary, and let the House of Representatives choose the President. If that happens, then each state gets one vote, and they can vote for any of the top three electoral vote winners. Utah could very well determine the presidency. By overwhelming majority, they voted against Trump and Clinton. If they had a coordinated write-in campaign, or voted for a third party en masse, they could have a third party candidate with electoral votes that the HR may just want to choose over Trump. Of course, for that to happen, Trump and Clinton would have to have an almost even split of electoral votes (ranging from 263 to 269 each or even less if more than one state did the same thing), which is possible given how badly both candidates are detested. Utah may not be the only state thinking upon those lines.

The question is, who should that candidate be? I have watched the Libertarian debates, and I am not sure any of the top three is Presidential enough. Gary Johnson likes to smoke pot...as he admitted. I was most hopeful about the young guy, Austin Petersen, but he doesn't sound very practical...mostly likes to say things that make great bumper stickers. McAfee doesn't sound like he knows what he is doing. Is there a Conservative Republican that the HR would rally behind if he were a possibility? To me, former Governors seem to be the best presidents, and former legislators seem to be the worst.

What current or former Governor out there would the House of Representatives rally around? Can't be mine from Alabama. He is a mess. But, I would certainly be willing to vote for someone else's Governor if he or she were a true conservative and had a proven record of doing good by the state.

I know it is a long shot, but it is possible. We only have to be stuck with Clinton or Trump if we the people allow it to happen.

[Ddawg]

No, it's hardly that simple. This time, 3rd party candidates probably help Trump more than Hillary. Most of those 3rd party votes, including mine, probably otherwise go to Hillary.

Yes, it really is that simple. It boils down to this - there are 2 political parties that have a legitimate chance to win the White House and have all the power and influence associated with the president's bully pulpit. One party is a deceitful socialist party that does not give a crap about the Constitution, rule of law, or the sovereign borders of this nation. The other polotical party - the GOP - at least strices to uphold the Constitution and the founding principles set forth by out Founding Fathers.

All the other political parties are interesting. I tend to lean strongly Libertarian - but will always vote for the GOP candidate because they can actually win. As I have posted before, the most critical act the new president will perform is who gets nominated and seated on the Supreme Court. For you to seriously consider voting for a lying leftist socialist such as Hillary - knowing she will nominate leftist judges that will destroy the Constitution - it is mind boggling.

[SpiffCoug]

[hawkwing]

Trump, from his own mouth and actions has shown that he:

• Will not nominate conservative justices
  Will create a bigger government
  Will restrict gun rights
  Will expand Obamacare
  Will raise federal minimum wage rates
  Will support and expand the role of Planned Parenthood and abortion services
  Will use government agencies like the IRS, EPA, FDA, and others to target and attack political enemies, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and conservative groups
  Will not respect the constitution
  Will not surround himself with intelligent people because he already "understands the situation better than anyone else"
  Will alienate allies and weaken the US internationally
  Will break international laws, spread and expand military conflicts
  Will limit free trade and weaken the economy
  Will institute amnesty
  Will threaten, bully, even potentially murder rivals
  Will disrespect, shame, and bully women

This is undeniable, only those who are lying to themselves believe otherwise.

[Ddawg]

Trump, from his own mouth and actions has shown that he:

• Will not nominate conservative justices

Not true. He said he will use a list of 10 Conservative judges from the Heritage Foundation to nominate for the SCOTUS.

Will create a bigger government

Probably true - George Bush did. As long as it's the military and the Border Patrol, FRI, CIA, and DEA expanding, I'm fine with that.

Will restrict gun rights

Don't believe it. Trump has a CCW permit.

Will expand Obamacare

Don't know where you get your information.
From Trump's website:
HEALTHCARE REFORM TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Since March of 2010, the American people have had to suffer under the incredible economic burden of the Affordable Care Act—Obamacare. This legislation, passed by totally partisan votes in the House and Senate and signed into law by the most divisive and partisan President in American history, has tragically but predictably resulted in runaway costs, websites that don’t work, greater rationing of care, higher premiums, less competition and fewer choices. Obamacare has raised the economic uncertainty of every single person residing in this country. As it appears Obamacare is certain to collapse of its own weight, the damage done by the Democrats and President Obama, and abetted by the Supreme Court, will be difficult to repair unless the next President and a Republican congress lead the effort to bring much-needed free market reforms to the healthcare industry.

But none of these positive reforms can be accomplished without Obamacare repeal. On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.

Will raise federal minimum wage rates

The states are already doing this.

Will support and expand the role of Planned Parenthood and abortion services

Don't know where you get that info -
“As far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, I'm pro-life,” Trump asserted on the debate stage at the University of Houston.

Trump also wrote: “Public funding of abortion providers is an insult to people of conscience at the least and an affront to good governance at best.”

“I'm pro-life, but with the caveats. It's: Life of the mother (very important), incest and rape,” Trump said.

“Look, Planned Parenthood has to stop with the abortions,” he told host Chuck Todd on NBC's “Meet the Press.”

Will use government agencies like the IRS, EPA, FDA, and others to target and attack political enemies, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and conservative groups

I have no idea where you are getting that idea. Please show me the quotes.

Will not respect the constitution

Hogwash. What we DO know is - both Obama and Hillary do not expect the Constitution. Feel free to vote for Hillary - a lying, lawless felon.

Will not surround himself with intelligent people because he already "understands the situation better than anyone else"

Hogwash.

Will alienate allies and weaken the US internationally

Like Obama?

Will break international laws, spread and expand military conflicts

We need to expand military conflicts. ISIS?

Will limit free trade and weaken the economy

Hogwash.

Will institute amnesty

Hogwash.

Will threaten, bully, even potentially murder rivals

Ha ha ha ha! Seriously? Do you really believe this drivel?

Will disrespect, shame, and bully women

Hogwash. Progaganda.

This is undeniable, only those who are lying to themselves believe otherwise.

It is deniable. The vast majority of those statements are propaganda hogwash. The rest just good old political spin. Please vote for Hillary if it makes you feel better. God Bless.

[Ddawg]

For all you anti-Trump folks that like to traffic in propaganda - here's a video from a black female executive who has worked with Donald Trump for years. Hear what she has to say -

[imuakahuku]

Trump is the left. Very little difference either way.

Trump is further left than Hillary.

Actually time to stop listening to the establishment and DC insiders. Trump is a populist with no political ideology. He is not further left than Hillary. That is a complete lie generated by the establishment trying to keep their power and influence. Again I am a Cruz advocate but I WILL vote for trump because we cannot have Hillary appoint the next 3 or 4 sup ct justices. Also, the thing to remember is Trump in not a politico. He is an executive. Funny how so many advocate against electing an executive to an executive position. So you have to take what he says with a grain of salt. Instead look at what who he is hiring and what the policies are that they are stating will be his administrations policies.

So let's see far left he really is. Here are the policies he has released to this point.

Immigration: He tabbed Jeff Sessions to create the policies he will implement in his administration. He is one of the best conservatives to author the plan a true top shelf immigration conservative. The plan they presented is to build the wall and deport illegals. Cancel all J1 visas for low skill immigrants. Trump's policy will be to issue these visas and establish a program to have those jobs given to low skill Americans (read jobs for the poor). Hillary wants amnesty, no wall, continues J1 visas. I guess that puts Trump right of her. And right of Romney and Rubio and Kasich and most of the other 17 candidates. Probably only Cruz would have done the same thing.
Taxes: Trump has put forth his tax plan. Reduce the bus.tax rate to 15% from 40%. This is as conservative as it gets. This will bring jobs back in. On top of that he has stated he will have a one time 10% rate on funds (est 2.5 trillion) being held overseas that are brought back in. These two steps alone will jump start the economy more than any president has since Reagan. When he stated he will force Caterpillar to stay in the US, this is how he intends to do it. Hillary, follow in the footsteps of Obama. No further explanation needed. Trump way "right" again.
2nd amendment:
Trump's policy is enforcement of current laws and not new ones. He also has stated his policy is to establish a federal law that requires all states to accept other state's CC licenses. His policy is also improve mental health care and not banning of guns. Hillary wants all guns gone. Trump on the "right".
Healthcare:
Trump's policy is to repeal Obamacare. Replace it with a capitalist system. Hillary is do more of Obamacare and get it to single payer (government health care).


Brought on John Mashburn to head his policy team. John is ultra pro-life. So for those worried about abortion and Planned Parenthood, PP is quaking in their boots.

Also, research the things Ann Coulter has been saying. Liberals and establishment absolutely hate her. She is very keyed in to what we the people really think and feel and has more common sense than all of them combined. She is also very intelligent and understands what it really means to be a conservative.

Lastly, look up what Betsy McCoy has published regarding Trump's policies. She is the one that almost single handed stopped Hillary-Care. I included some of what she found above.
So far every resource Trump has sought out and every policy they have release has been entirely "very conservative". People keep going back to what he said and did as a business man in NY. What would you have done if your business involved constructing buildings in Democrat strongholds? Would you have said what you truly believed or what you knew the politicians wanted to hear? Trump will use his common sense to govern and common sense is the foundation of conservatism. He may not be a conservative but he sure is acting like one.

So in the end Trump is an enigma. He has said a lot of things that make me concerned (hence my support for Cruz) but his actions regarding what his administration's policies will be have all been as conservative as they can be. So I'm taking the old saying "Don't listen to what they are saying but look at what they are doing". In other words, "by their fruits ye shall know them".

So anyways, you get the point. Don't vote, which is a vote for Hillary, Vote 3rd party, which is a vote for Hillary unless Bernie runs 3rd party too, or vote Trump and hope he implements the policies he has been putting out there.
One last thought, if you are waiting for the "perfect" candidate, you might as well give up on ever voting, because I don't ever expect to run for president. I wouldn't want to put my family's safety as such a risk although I would consider it for the sake of this great country.

[imuakahuku]

For all you anti-Trump folks that like to traffic in propaganda - here's a video from a black female executive who has worked with Donald Trump for years. Hear what she has to say -

I heard an interview with her. I have been waiting for the press to march out disgruntled employees. Hasn't happened because they can't find any.

[imuakahuku]

Trump, from his own mouth and actions has shown that he:

• Will not nominate conservative justices

Not true. He said he will use a list of 10 Conservative judges from the Heritage Foundation to nominate for the SCOTUS.

Will create a bigger government

Probably true - George Bush did. As long as it's the military and the Border Patrol, FRI, CIA, and DEA expanding, I'm fine with that.

Will restrict gun rights

Don't believe it. Trump has a CCW permit.

Will expand Obamacare

Don't know where you get your information.
From Trump's website:
HEALTHCARE REFORM TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Since March of 2010, the American people have had to suffer under the incredible economic burden of the Affordable Care Act—Obamacare. This legislation, passed by totally partisan votes in the House and Senate and signed into law by the most divisive and partisan President in American history, has tragically but predictably resulted in runaway costs, websites that don’t work, greater rationing of care, higher premiums, less competition and fewer choices. Obamacare has raised the economic uncertainty of every single person residing in this country. As it appears Obamacare is certain to collapse of its own weight, the damage done by the Democrats and President Obama, and abetted by the Supreme Court, will be difficult to repair unless the next President and a Republican congress lead the effort to bring much-needed free market reforms to the healthcare industry.

But none of these positive reforms can be accomplished without Obamacare repeal. On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.

Will raise federal minimum wage rates

The states are already doing this.

Will support and expand the role of Planned Parenthood and abortion services

Don't know where you get that info -
“As far as Planned Parenthood is concerned, I'm pro-life,” Trump asserted on the debate stage at the University of Houston.

Trump also wrote: “Public funding of abortion providers is an insult to people of conscience at the least and an affront to good governance at best.”

“I'm pro-life, but with the caveats. It's: Life of the mother (very important), incest and rape,” Trump said.

“Look, Planned Parenthood has to stop with the abortions,” he told host Chuck Todd on NBC's “Meet the Press.”

Will use government agencies like the IRS, EPA, FDA, and others to target and attack political enemies, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and conservative groups

I have no idea where you are getting that idea. Please show me the quotes.

Will not respect the constitution

Hogwash. What we DO know is - both Obama and Hillary do not expect the Constitution. Feel free to vote for Hillary - a lying, lawless felon.

Will not surround himself with intelligent people because he already "understands the situation better than anyone else"

Hogwash.

Will alienate allies and weaken the US internationally

Like Obama?

Will break international laws, spread and expand military conflicts

We need to expand military conflicts. ISIS?

Will limit free trade and weaken the economy

Hogwash.

Will institute amnesty

Hogwash.

Will threaten, bully, even potentially murder rivals

Ha ha ha ha! Seriously? Do you really believe this drivel?

Will disrespect, shame, and bully women

Hogwash. Progaganda.

This is undeniable, only those who are lying to themselves believe otherwise.

It is deniable. The vast majority of those statements are propaganda hogwash. The rest just good old political spin. Please vote for Hillary if it makes you feel better. God Bless.

Wow. My advice is never watch MSNBC, CNN, ABC news, NBC news, CBS news, weather channel, and so on. When watching FoxNews be wary and research what they claim and if it comes from the established republicans then really question their motives.
I go back to Betsy McCoy, look up what she has said. She is a busybody that gets into the weeds of everything. She won't look at the cover of a book and give her thoughts on it. She will read it thoroughly and validate her questions before saying anything. Again, she was the one that actually read HillaryCare and let the world know what was really in it and got it stopped before it was implemented. Too bad we had to pass Obamacare before they let people read it.

[imuakahuku]

If Hillary wins, it's because of who voted for her, not who voted elsewhere.

Maybe - maybe not.

Look at the 1992 presidential election results.
Bill Clinton - 43%
George H.W. Bush - 37.4%
Ross Perot - 18.9%

If George H.W. Bush had been elected, a whole series of events would have been different. It's very possible 9/11 would have never happened. We would not have had Clinton selling rocket technology to the Chinese. Then Clinton would not have implemented Jamie Gorelick's wall which dictated that all communication between the CIA and FBI go through the White House. So the CIA guys that tried to inform the FBI about several of the eventual hijackers would have been successful and those hijackers would have been put under surveillance and eventually stopped. Because a wiser, ex-CIA director George Bush would most likely have taken more aggressive action against Osama bin Laden. Speculation of course. But, it's well documented Bill Clinton had bin Laden in his sights and called off the kill mission.

No question, all those well meaning principled Ross Perot votes kept the better man out of office.

There corrected the 9/11 stuff for you. Your welcome.