Democratic Party = The True Fascists

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Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by snoscythe » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:34 pm

I'm getting beyond tired of this "Anti-fa" and "Trump is a fascist" business. It's a bunch of hooey.

First, we have to understand what fascism is other than an insult. Fascism is nothing more than government-controlled capitalism. It's socialism with that veneer of private industry--the government controls through regulations what the people own. "Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically." (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html)

Let me give you some examples of fascism: The New Deal. Obamacare. The Clean Air Act. etc. -- the big ticket items from the Democratic Party throughout history.

Fascism is not racism, it's not naked authoritarianism (although that is a piece of the larger puzzle)--it's the government distorting markets "for the greater good" or "for the good of the country".

What's most ironic about Anti-fa is their backing. Anti-fa is funded by George Soros, who admits without apology to have been at best a Nazi-sympathizer in Hungary, and at worst a brownshirt himself. So, we have a demonstrated Nazi-supporter who now is funding the "Anti-fascist" movement that is in fact fighting the one political party standing its ground against the tide of DNC/Progressive fascism.

And as far as the red-herring race-baiting of Antifa, maybe they ought to remember that the only US president to ever single out a race or nationality and put them behind fences was Franklin Delano "Nothing-to-Fear-But-Itself-and-the-Japanese-but-not-the-Germans-or-Italians-for-some-reason" Roosevelt, hero of the progressive movement.

Blows my mind that they get away with this crap by changing definitions.

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Re: Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by BoiseBYU » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:04 pm

It depends upon the definition we choose for the term. Most I've seen define the term as a form of extreme authoritarian nationalism that uses dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce to further their goals. I. think it dilutes the term of much of its meaning to equate democratically enacted provisions like the Clean Air Act to fascsim. There isn't a nationalism component in the CAA, although it does impose limits on commerce. Otherwise every act of Congress that regulates commerce, whether environmental, consumer protection, or antitrust qualify as fascist, yes? In the end, calling something fascist doesn't help decide whether it is a good idea or not. It's become a pejorative thrown about. So there's no misunderstanding, I am not a supporter or defender of intifa in any way. They seem to be anarchists to me. And what Roosevelt ordered regarding Japanese American citizens was so wrong and the US Supreme Court's decision upholding that decision the 20th century's version of Dred Scott.
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Re: Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by BroncoBot » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:49 pm

BoiseBYU wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:04 pm
dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce to further their goals.
This is the definition of what Obama performed, or at the least attempted, for 8 years.

I totally agree with Sno. The current Antifa movement and the left crying about "fascism" is really an attempt to maintain their political advantage that they, as real fascists, gave themselves for nearly the last decade.

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Re: Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by Mars » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:58 pm

Though dictators DO usually attack and attempt to weaken the media. They don't like to be questioned, you see.
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Re: Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by BoiseBYU » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pm

BroncoBot wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:49 pm
BoiseBYU wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:04 pm
dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce to further their goals.
This is the definition of what Obama performed, or at the least attempted, for 8 years.

I totally agree with Sno. The current Antifa movement and the left crying about "fascism" is really an attempt to maintain their political advantage that they, as real fascists, gave themselves for nearly the last decade.
Please don't twist and confuse. The part you quoted above are bad things and wrong, but you conveniently missed the part that connects those things to nationalism. Fascism includes that component. I make that point NOT to excuse the other bad things you chose to mention, but to properly label the movement. If fascism can mean whatever you say it means, then it loses its meaning. It becomes just a label that one can hurl at their enemies at will.

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Re: Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by snoscythe » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:02 pm

BoiseBYU wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:04 pm
Most I've seen define the term as a form of extreme authoritarian nationalism that uses dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce to further their goals.
And therein lies the problem -- the definition has been hijacked by the left to mean something entirely different in an attempt to pin Mussolini and Hitler on the right when both ascended from the left. What you describe is not fascism, that's authoritarianism.

Fascism is an economic philosophy.

Authoritarianism is a governing philosophy.

Ironically, neither find basis in the political right, but both fascism and authoritarianism are leftist ideologies.

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Re: Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by hawkwing » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:02 pm

So what you're saying is everyone who is bad is a Leftist?

It's a lot like pointlessly arguing that the the KKK was founded by the Democrats, it really no longer matters now, they almost universally voted for and support Donald Trump, that makes them a Trump supporting organization, not a Democrat organization.

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Re: Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by BroncoBot » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:07 pm

BoiseBYU wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pm
BroncoBot wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:49 pm
BoiseBYU wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:04 pm
dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce to further their goals.
This is the definition of what Obama performed, or at the least attempted, for 8 years.

I totally agree with Sno. The current Antifa movement and the left crying about "fascism" is really an attempt to maintain their political advantage that they, as real fascists, gave themselves for nearly the last decade.
Please don't twist and confuse. The part you quoted above are bad things and wrong, but you conveniently missed the part that connects those things to nationalism. Fascism includes that component. I make that point NOT to excuse the other bad things you chose to mention, but to properly label the movement. If fascism can mean whatever you say it means, then it loses its meaning. It becomes just a label that one can hurl at their enemies at will.
I still find it interesting that "nationalism" is so offensive. Do I think it can become a negative? sure. But, I can appreciate any people being proud of the country they live in.

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Re: Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by BoiseBYU » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:59 pm

BroncoBot wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:07 pm
BoiseBYU wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pm
BroncoBot wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:49 pm
BoiseBYU wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:04 pm
dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce to further their goals.
This is the definition of what Obama performed, or at the least attempted, for 8 years.

I totally agree with Sno. The current Antifa movement and the left crying about "fascism" is really an attempt to maintain their political advantage that they, as real fascists, gave themselves for nearly the last decade.
Please don't twist and confuse. The part you quoted above are bad things and wrong, but you conveniently missed the part that connects those things to nationalism. Fascism includes that component. I make that point NOT to excuse the other bad things you chose to mention, but to properly label the movement. If fascism can mean whatever you say it means, then it loses its meaning. It becomes just a label that one can hurl at their enemies at will.
I still find it interesting that "nationalism" is so offensive. Do I think it can become a negative? sure. But, I can appreciate any people being proud of the country they live in.
Good point. I do not think nationalism in and of itself is bad. Fascism is defined, in part, as "extreme authoritarian nationalism." It is thus an extreme and dictatorial sort of nationalism that is part of the definition of fascism, not just nationalism in general. At least that's how I'm understanding the term.

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Re: Democratic Party = The True Fascists

Post by nuk13 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:03 pm

You can bet if the republicans had started the Klu Klux Klan the democrats would never let up on it. I don't see them as innocent in this matter.

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