Jay Drew's hit job on BYU and Spencer Hadley

[SenorCougar]

I don't read the trib, or Drew, and don't care what they way. However, I believe Hadley should be off the team and kicked out of school. He didn't just go to LV once, he went multiple times, he didn't just go to a casino, he drank alcohol. Hadley is a returned missionary for crying out loud, he should also have a church disciplinary council held on him. My guess is there is even more to this story, more to Hadley's actions than we know. As a former bishop, guys don't just go to a casino, drink alcohol...once. They do it multiple times, and they do more than that, and it takes a good bishop to pry it all out. If Hadley was going to Las Vegas on multiple weekends, why was he doing that? "curiosity" is satisfied the first time, why did he go the other times? I'm embarrassed to have him on the team, he should be gone. And my bet is, by late October (if not before) he will be gone.

Wow, glad you weren't my bishop. You make it sound like a disciplinary council should be convened to punish Hadley. That's not what councils are for. It appears Hadley is taking the proper steps to return to Christ, what purpose would a council serve? The church's reputation isn't being harmed by keeping Hadley in the church. Hadley appears to be headed in the right direction. Just because your experience is one way does not mean all instances are the same - how can we jump to the conclusion he did "More than that? " hopefully he is working closely with his bishop and is getting a little more love, support and guidance than the judgement and resentment you seem to have for him.

I'm with you BYULV. Somehow "Bishop" and "Pry" don't seem to go well together...

[Cougs_Rule]

I don't read the trib, or Drew, and don't care what they way. However, I believe Hadley should be off the team and kicked out of school. He didn't just go to LV once, he went multiple times, he didn't just go to a casino, he drank alcohol. Hadley is a returned missionary for crying out loud, he should also have a church disciplinary council held on him. My guess is there is even more to this story, more to Hadley's actions than we know. As a former bishop, guys don't just go to a casino, drink alcohol...once. They do it multiple times, and they do more than that, and it takes a good bishop to pry it all out. If Hadley was going to Las Vegas on multiple weekends, why was he doing that? "curiosity" is satisfied the first time, why did he go the other times? I'm embarrassed to have him on the team, he should be gone. And my bet is, by late October (if not before) he will be gone.

Wow, glad you weren't my bishop. You make it sound like a disciplinary council should be convened to punish Hadley. That's not what councils are for. It appears Hadley is taking the proper steps to return to Christ, what purpose would a council serve? The church's reputation isn't being harmed by keeping Hadley in the church. Hadley appears to be headed in the right direction. Just because your experience is one way does not mean all instances are the same - how can we jump to the conclusion he did "More than that? " hopefully he is working closely with his bishop and is getting a little more love, support and guidance than the judgement and resentment you seem to have for him.

I'm with you BYULV. Somehow "Bishop" and "Pry" don't seem to go well together...

Not to mention that a disc council wouldn't be held for drinking.

[Cougs_Rule]

Yep. Fully agree Bib. They're all bent out of shape because some big wig from some big time mag did their job better than they did the past week.

I agree mostly. And good post for the most part Bib.
Bennett said he was covering story and interviewing Bronco and Bronco invited him to the Prison fireside (not a customary fireside, obviously). So, yes and no to the fireside explanation. But, for sure, they got scooped, bc they have, Drew and Monson, sold out their reps as a reporter to the Trib audience and won't ever get a whiff of a story in the making.

[stgeorgefan]

This is what happens when your loyal to Bronco. He gives you inside access.

[stgeorgefan]

He didn't just go to LV once, he went multiple times,

So did I, every year Byu went to the Vegas bowl.

he didn't just go to a casino, he drank alcohol.

So did a lot of cougar fans at the vegas bowl

Hadley is a returned missionary for crying out loud,

ugh; so what. He is still a human right?

he should also have a church disciplinary council held on him. My guess is there is even more to this story, more to Hadley's actions than we know. As a former bishop, guys don't just go to a casino, drink alcohol...once. They do it multiple times, and they do more than that, and it takes a good bishop to pry it all out. If Hadley was going to Las Vegas on multiple weekends, why was he doing that? "curiosity" is satisfied the first time, why did he go the other times? I'm embarrassed to have him on the team, he should be gone. And my bet is, by late October (if not before) he will be gone.

You talk about casino's and drinking as if they are unforgivable sins. Those are pretty small on the sin list as far as I'm concerned. 5 games suspended means the HC agrees. All that said; no sin is unforgivable. Your "rant" is both embarrassing to me and to the church. Comments like this are what give the church a bad name. I'm just happy that the churches actual stance doesn't match up to yours. Bronco and Byu are representing Byu and the church well by showing love and compassion(christ like behavior) Punishment with compassion.
Sorry for the rant; I had flashbacks to my old bishop who acted similarly and drove me away from church attendance.

[Fido]

All of the 1280 talk show guys really have been all bent out of shape towards BYU all week. I really think they are all feeling like BYU brought in a "ringer" to write some kind of positive article so things appear in a positive light regarding BYU. The reasons they keep bringing up to say why Bronco and BYU are bad includes:
- Bronco used the scriptures in his press conference (how many years ago was this? lol)
- A BYU fan jumped out of the stands and assaulted a Utah cheerleader (how many years ago was this? lol)
- Bronco keeps saying how special and different things are at BYU but the honor code violations and lack of success on the football field show that things aren't different or special and are not only as bad as everywhere else--but actually worse because what they are doing isn't leading to success.
- Claiming to know that BYU fans won't be happy unless BYU wins AT LEAST 8 games this year--meaning they have to beat both USU and Boise State since they are going to lose to Notre Dame and Wisconsin and are 1-2 so far this year.

Sour grapes from local media who seem to have grown less pro-BYU over the years. Its almost getting to where I don't want to listen anymore.

[blue42]

Sour grapes from local media who seem to have grown less pro-BYU over the years. Its almost getting to where I don't want to listen anymore.

I don't listen to local sports radio anymore. Although if I happen to listen to anything I can actually listen to Gunther a little bit.

[hypercoug]

he should also have a church disciplinary council held on him. My guess is there is even more to this story, more to Hadley's actions than we know. As a former bishop, guys don't just go to a casino, drink alcohol...once. They do it multiple times, and they do more than that, and it takes a good bishop to pry it all out. If Hadley was going to Las Vegas on multiple weekends, why was he doing that? "curiosity" is satisfied the first time, why did he go the other times? I'm embarrassed to have him on the team, he should be gone. And my bet is, by late October (if not before) he will be gone.

The only thing I like about this nasty comment of yours are the words "former bishop". Thank God you are not currently interviewing youth behind closed doors, and for the ones that had to endure it in the past, I hope they have overcome the shaming, guilting, and ecclesiastical abuse they likely went through.

Really, man. Grow up. Leadership in the church doesn't mean you get to act like the gestapo. You act like its a witch hunt "he should also have a church disciplinary council held on him"... I hope you got off on being really important though, and sitting up front on the stand where everybody could see you. That probably made you feel just swell!

So much for mourning with those that mourn, and comforting those in need of comfort.

[Gunk]

The whole point of this article is to get clicks and remind everyone that the Trib was the one that first "broke" the story. It's just a complete rehash of the SI article.

I wouldn't really call it a "hit job" on Spencer at all, just crappy journalism and trend capitalization on Drew's part. He has to bring in a set number of clicks to the site. Just trying to meet his quota. If you really don't like Drew or the Trib, don't ever visit the site and tell your friends to do the same.

For example, after the Davies story, I haven't read a single Franchuck or Daily Herald article.

[Waipahuboy]

Agreed, Drew blows. I don't click on any Drew or Trib link, so I can't comment on the "crappy journalism" part....but the story sure smells like it. Thanks, Gunk.