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TheDean wrote:Except that when Cahoon coached the WRs before under Doman the WRs couldn't catch a cold let alone the ball when it was thrown their way without dropping it. Empey was O-line coach before and his O-lines were never all that good yet showed promise at times. Gilford is a ? mark but this season will answer it. I only whish that Sitaki would have hires Chad Lewis as his TE coach as Lewis is still in the back office and would be of greater help coaching.

Of course, Cahoon's WRs were catching passes from Jake Heaps and Riley Nelson. Two of the three least accurate passers in the Bronco era.

Sorry, but the receivers under Cahoon vastly improved. I'm not sure if you have heard of this guy named Cody Hoffman or not, but he was one of the best to play the position all time at BYU, under Carhoon, and as Spiff has mentioned he had Riley Nelson throwing the ball who was absolutely terrible. If he had a real quarterback throwing to him, and not a left handed free safety, he would have been huge.

Is Jan Jorgensen going to be teaching the finer points of Ultimate Fighting? Did he ever lose a fight in the cage? A lot of unseen things happen on the bottom of the pile.

SpiffCoug wrote:

TheDean wrote:Except that when Cahoon coached the WRs before under Doman the WRs couldn't catch a cold let alone the ball when it was thrown their way without dropping it. Empey was O-line coach before and his O-lines were never all that good yet showed promise at times. Gilford is a ? mark but this season will answer it. I only whish that Sitaki would have hires Chad Lewis as his TE coach as Lewis is still in the back office and would be of greater help coaching.

Of course, Cahoon's WRs were catching passes from Jake Heaps and Riley Nelson. Two of the three least accurate passers in the Bronco era.

I know Riley Nelson was the least accurate passers in BYU history let alone the Bronco era, but Heaps had a 50%+ completion % for his career at BYU and yet the WRs could catch them when it hit them in the hands or the numbers. had the WRs been able to catch and hold onto the ball Heaps would have had a 65% to 70% completion rate as most of his passes were on target but dropped.

Brayden Green wrote:Sorry, but the receivers under Cahoon vastly improved. I'm not sure if you have heard of this guy named Cody Hoffman or not, but he was one of the best to play the position all time at BYU, under Carhoon, and as Spiff has mentioned he had Riley Nelson throwing the ball who was absolutely terrible. If he had a real quarterback throwing to him, and not a left handed free safety, he would have been huge.

Except Hoffman took until the 6th or 7th game of the season to get going under Cahoon and then finally turned the corner after Cahoon left when Anae came back and hired a new WR coach then Hoffman had his best 2 seasons which were his last 2 seasons at BYU while under the go fast go hard offense that Anae brought with him when he came back. If BYU would have run the kind of offense that Anar had ran the first time Hoffman wouldn't have done what he did.

Besides there are 4 other WRs besides Hoffman that played and they didn't do anything of note Like Apo who also had 2 seasons under Cahoon and was a 4 star WR like Hoffman but couldn't catch a cold let alone a pass and was a no show in the offense while Cahoon was coach. Had Cahoon had multiple WRs show up and put together stellar performances like Hoffman did after Cahoon left while under Cahoon then you could say something.

We will see just what BYUs WRs will do in 2016 then we will know who is right.

TheDean wrote:

Brayden Green wrote:Sorry, but the receivers under Cahoon vastly improved. I'm not sure if you have heard of this guy named Cody Hoffman or not, but he was one of the best to play the position all time at BYU, under Carhoon, and as Spiff has mentioned he had Riley Nelson throwing the ball who was absolutely terrible. If he had a real quarterback throwing to him, and not a left handed free safety, he would have been huge.

Except Hoffman took until the 6th or 7th game of the season to get going under Cahoon and then finally turned the corner after Cahoon left when Anae came back and hired a new WR coach then Hoffman had his best 2 seasons which were his last 2 seasons at BYU while under the go fast go hard offense that Anae brought with him when he came back. If BYU would have run the kind of offense that Anar had ran the first time Hoffman wouldn't have done what he did.

Besides there are 4 other WRs besides Hoffman that played and they didn't do anything of note Like Apo who also had 2 seasons under Cahoon and was a 4 star WR like Hoffman but couldn't catch a cold let alone a pass and was a no show in the offense while Cahoon was coach. Had Cahoon had multiple WRs show up and put together stellar performances like Hoffman did after Cahoon left while under Cahoon then you could say something.

We will see just what BYUs WRs will do in 2016 then we will know who is right.

While I agree with your opinion that Holiday was a better WR coach than Cahoon, pretty much everything else you said was historically inaccurate. Apo was a 4 star recruit, Hoffman was recruited by no one. Also, Heaps was not hitting guys in the hands, he was all over the map on his throws and his rockets were not easy to catch because of it which is why he was an inaccurate passer. The guy couldn't even hit a screen pass for crying out loud.

TheDean wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:

TheDean wrote:Except that when Cahoon coached the WRs before under Doman the WRs couldn't catch a cold let alone the ball when it was thrown their way without dropping it. Empey was O-line coach before and his O-lines were never all that good yet showed promise at times. Gilford is a ? mark but this season will answer it. I only whish that Sitaki would have hires Chad Lewis as his TE coach as Lewis is still in the back office and would be of greater help coaching.

Of course, Cahoon's WRs were catching passes from Jake Heaps and Riley Nelson. Two of the three least accurate passers in the Bronco era.

I know Riley Nelson was the least accurate passers in BYU history let alone the Bronco era, but Heaps had a 50%+ completion % for his career at BYU and yet the WRs could catch them when it hit them in the hands or the numbers. had the WRs been able to catch and hold onto the ball Heaps would have had a 65% to 70% completion rate as most of his passes were on target but dropped.

Just stop making stuff up. Please.

Riley Nelson finished his BYU career completing 57.9% of his passes.
Jake Heaps finished his BYU career completing 57.2% of his passes.

BYU receivers did not drop between 50 and 80 passes that would have jumped his completion percentage to where you think it should have been. Heaps was an inaccurate thrower in football as proved by his percentage at other schools as well (49% at Kansas and 50% at Miami).

Cahoon coached the receivers in 2011 & 2012 (which happen to be Apo's freshman & sophopmore years I think).

Reviewing old posts, it appears most here on cougar corner were surprised when Cahoon was let go after the 2012 season because most felt like Cahoon was doing a good job.

The following article points out the improvements that the receiving corps made in 2011 and especially in 2012 versus 2010 (the year before Cahoon was hired):

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=294&sid=2314234 ... atching-on

Thankfully we can start to see how the coaching is really coming along in 2016 in just 4 loooonnnngg days.

frdbtr wrote:

TheDean wrote:

Brayden Green wrote:Sorry, but the receivers under Cahoon vastly improved. I'm not sure if you have heard of this guy named Cody Hoffman or not, but he was one of the best to play the position all time at BYU, under Carhoon, and as Spiff has mentioned he had Riley Nelson throwing the ball who was absolutely terrible. If he had a real quarterback throwing to him, and not a left handed free safety, he would have been huge.

Except Hoffman took until the 6th or 7th game of the season to get going under Cahoon and then finally turned the corner after Cahoon left when Anae came back and hired a new WR coach then Hoffman had his best 2 seasons which were his last 2 seasons at BYU while under the go fast go hard offense that Anae brought with him when he came back. If BYU would have run the kind of offense that Anar had ran the first time Hoffman wouldn't have done what he did.

Besides there are 4 other WRs besides Hoffman that played and they didn't do anything of note Like Apo who also had 2 seasons under Cahoon and was a 4 star WR like Hoffman but couldn't catch a cold let alone a pass and was a no show in the offense while Cahoon was coach. Had Cahoon had multiple WRs show up and put together stellar performances like Hoffman did after Cahoon left while under Cahoon then you could say something.

We will see just what BYUs WRs will do in 2016 then we will know who is right.

While I agree with your opinion that Holiday was a better WR coach than Cahoon, pretty much everything else you said was historically inaccurate. Apo was a 4 star recruit, Hoffman was recruited by no one. Also, Heaps was not hitting guys in the hands, he was all over the map on his throws and his rockets were not easy to catch because of it which is why he was an inaccurate passer. The guy couldn't even hit a screen pass for crying out loud.

Also, Cahoon was the WR coach for BYU in 2011 & 2012 which would have been Hoffman's Sophomore & Junior years.

I was definitely surprised when Cahoon was relieved of duties, that being said, Holliday was a superior coach and was an instant upgrade when he came in.

I'm hopeful that with some time to analyse his performance Cahoon will have improved and be an even better coach than he was before.