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Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T19:48:50-06:00

Oh geeez, thirteen sacks and they still had 450+ passing? So their quarterback can basically take hits, then make plays, take hits, make plays...Yeah, SJSU might beat us. Scoring that much on USU this year is really no easy task.

Great, now I'm not so chipper about the rest of our games. Georgia Tech will be hard enough, but I think and hope we can handle them. It hurts to say, but wow, anything north of 6-6 and bowl eligible...I'll take it! Hooray for lowered expectations!

I think I may focus more attention on the Vandy games for this last stretch of the season. (Because Tulane and Rice are seriously awful.) Can't wait for them to beat Tennessee!!!

Statistics: Posted by TulaneVandyRiceCoug — Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:48 pm

Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T19:43:40-06:00

I know that BYU's season has not turned out the way we had hoped, but sheesh, at least we'll head to a bowl.
Only owing to wins against San Jose State, Idaho and New Mexico State. Although, San Jose State won't be a pushover and could pose some problems - they're good this year, but I still don't see the Cougs losing that game, especially since Utah State destroyed them 49-27 (you gotta admit though... 27 points against Utah State's D is impressive). The Aggie D is for real.
SJSU wins.

They put up more than a 100 yards of offense against USU than we did and 21 more points. All that with their QB getting sacked 13 times. SJSU put up 450+ yards in the air and I have no confidence in our secondary. SJSU can move the ball. It will come down to how well we can move the ball.

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Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I am so confident that BYU will beat SJSU and in convincing fashion that I would be wiling to bet my 2 year daughter on it. (and she's actually pretty awesome!) There is just no way BYU will lose to SJSU. You guys that believe so are nuts. SJSU is all smoke and mirrors. I would honestly bet Utah is a better team. Ut. St.'s D is good/alright not great. We just sucked on offense against them. So please everybody quit the doom and gloom, we won't lose to them. I laugh when I see posts like this... but again I'm probably just ignorant ;

Statistics: Posted by JamieVallen — Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:43 pm

Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T19:01:10-06:00

I know that BYU's season has not turned out the way we had hoped, but sheesh, at least we'll head to a bowl.
Only owing to wins against San Jose State, Idaho and New Mexico State. Although, San Jose State won't be a pushover and could pose some problems - they're good this year, but I still don't see the Cougs losing that game, especially since Utah State destroyed them 49-27 (you gotta admit though... 27 points against Utah State's D is impressive). The Aggie D is for real.

SJSU wins.

They put up more than a 100 yards of offense against USU than we did and 21 more points. All that with their QB getting sacked 13 times. SJSU put up 450+ yards in the air and I have no confidence in our secondary. SJSU can move the ball. It will come down to how well we can move the ball.

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Statistics: Posted by Gunk — Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:01 pm

Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T17:50:47-06:00

I know that BYU's season has not turned out the way we had hoped, but sheesh, at least we'll head to a bowl.

Only owing to wins against San Jose State, Idaho and New Mexico State. Although, San Jose State won't be a pushover and could pose some problems - they're good this year, but I still don't see the Cougs losing that game, especially since Utah State destroyed them 49-27 (you gotta admit though... 27 points against Utah State's D is impressive). The Aggie D is for real.

Statistics: Posted by Airwolf1984 — Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:50 pm

Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T17:44:16-06:00

AW - things have really gotten bad over on the Hill, haven't they. Shouldn't you be busy analyzing the Ute's next loss and the increasing clouds over their bowl plans. It is unfortunate that they no longer seem able to keep U entertained.

I'm no Ute Bib - actually, I think what's happening to the Utes is exactly what was to be expected as a PAC 12 member... that program is not good enough to compete with the majority of teams in the PAC 12 just like the Cougs are not a program that can succeed in independence owing to the quality opposition on the schedule - both the Cougs and Utes belong in a conference like the Big East - that's just about right for who they are.

Statistics: Posted by Airwolf1984 — Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:44 pm

Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T16:00:55-06:00

The OL is the biggest issue. Deseret News article today reminds readers that BYU has lost 6 OL to injury. That plus a coach that had OL underachieving last season.

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:00 pm

Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T15:59:07-06:00

Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:59 pm

Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T14:37:09-06:00

The offensive balance between running and throwing isn't the issue with the offense. The issue is the QB running that offense isn't efficient enough.

In 21 games as an offensive coordinator, Doman's QBs have only met the PER standard seven times! That's it! SEVEN! BYU is 7-0 in those games.

You can't win with an inefficient QB playing QB.

I would be willing to bet that in those games we were playing inferior opponents where our crappy offensive line could dominate. I still maintain that BYU's offensive woe's are due to the oline which is affecting QB play and probably comfort with play calling. It is time to go out and find an oline coach that gets our oline performing to the standard that it needs to compete with the good teams everyone wants us to start beating. Go back and look at the oline in the 06 TCU game and tell me how a guy with 2 sprained ankles could stand back there like a statue and throw down the field like Beck did. (TCU had a top rated defense that year) Our oline in 06 was awesome, Grimes left soon thereafter and it has gone down hill ever since.

Statistics: Posted by frdbtr — Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:37 pm

Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T13:49:35-06:00

The offensive balance between running and throwing isn't the issue with the offense. The issue is the QB running that offense isn't efficient enough.

In 21 games as an offensive coordinator, Doman's QBs have only met the PER standard seven times! That's it! SEVEN! BYU is 7-0 in those games.

You can't win with an inefficient QB playing QB.

Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:49 pm

Re: BYU-Georgia Tech: some numbers

2012-10-24T12:58:46-06:00

Wrong.

Look at the games prior to Hill starting. We were option and QB draw heavy then too. Doman went into the season with a QB running heavy offense. Lark didn't get the call because Hill fit the offense better.

What changed? Hill and Riley's injuries.

Doman's style of offense produced two beat up QBs. As a result, Doman has been calling a different game. Doman also has to be more aggressive because his offense isn't doing anything and all signs point towards his head on the block.

Case in point, how many times did we run the option and QB draw against Weber vs how many times did we run it against ND. There shouldn't have been any need for a QB draw against Weber.

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WSU: 41 runs 37 passes
WSU2: 37 runs 42 passes
utah: 42 rushes 37 passes (with an injured QB)
BSU 39 rushes 19 passes (with an injured QB)
Hawaii 54 rushes 24 passes(Freshman athletic QB and a blowout where running will be to run out the clock)
USU: 45 rushes 36 passes.

So from the numbers, I wasn't wrong. He was calling a 50/50 rush pass game at the first of the year. Now protecting Riley he is calling a more 60/40 game (plus we are using a freshman RB now too).

I'm not refuting that Doman is protecting Riley. You claimed:

Everyone got on Doman from his "bastardised" running offense when Taysom was starting at qb. I explained that Doman designed an offense that the Freshman was comfortable with that played to his strengths and I was right."

Again, as your numbers show, Doman came out of the gates running the football. What your numbers don't show, however, is how many of those plays were QB option, sneaks, draws or scrambles. There is no denying Doman has toned down the number of QB run plays in the last two weaks.

Against Utah, Doman ran the option with Riley as QB 12 times. 12 times! Factor in the QB draws and scrambles and Riley was running around out there exposed on nearly 1/3 of our plays. Against ND, Doman ran the option 2 times, there were 2 QB draws, and if I remember correctly 2 QB scrambles - a fraction of what it was early in the season.

So the idea that Doman designed an offense Hill was comfortable with is false. Hill got the start over Lark because Hill "fit" the offense better. Both Doman and Bronco have said such. The offense, prior to Riley and Hill's injuries was an option heavy, QB run heavy offense.

Since the injuries, Doman has had to switch it up - more pass plays, less option, less QB designed runs. We're not seeing the same offense we saw at the beginning of the season when Riley and Hill were QBing and that's because Doman's offense at the beginning landed two QBs on the sidelines.

Statistics: Posted by Gunk — Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:58 pm