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Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-16T16:04:16-06:00

I guess I imagined that the Duty to God award would grow into the DTG Scouting Organization.
When the BSA had their day at the Supreme Court and before the verdict was announced (you'll remember it was in BSA's favor) my Dad mentioned something interesting. He said that because there was no way the church would support BSA with gay leaders, that they needed an alternative youth program.

DTG was that program.

He noticed specific steps the church was taking at the time to build up the program as a BSA replacement. Things have clearly changed since then so who knows what they'll do.

I was YM pres when that went down and was told that DTG was the replacement for Boy Scouts if and when it went down the slippery slide. And I do see the church pulling it if next year they change the policy. Back in 93 or so the church was ready to pull the plug on all three universities when a bill was introduced in Congress that would have forced all private and public universities to teach homosexuality as an alternate lifestyle. If they would close BYU, I have to imagine they would say goodbye to the BSA.

As for the BSA letting the charters decide for themselves is rediculous. The charters cannot handle the lawsuites and would be forced to cave or into insolvency so the gay agenda would get their way by picking them all off one at a time.

Statistics: Posted by imuakahuku — Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:04 pm

Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-16T15:46:45-06:00

And to be honest, putting young males in a position where their leaders could be attracted them isn't fair to the gay leader. We don't put young men with the young women's leaders. In most cases it won't be a problem. But for some it might be, so we just avoid the entire situation and possibility.

I agree with you Spiff, and that's how we run things in the Church. However, in my new calling (Second Counselor in the Young Men and Varsity Coach), I was asked to take a bunch of BSA training and learned some things about how Scouting is/can be run outside the LDS Church.

In Varsity and Venture Scouts, the groups are designed to be co-ed (and I commented to my wife that all the pictures-it was illustrated, not photographed-were of remarkably attractive youth and leaders). They take great pains to reinforce "two deep" leadership and the prohibition on leaders fraternizing with the scouts. They also pointed out that in the ideal design, many leaders were recently members of the Team/Crew. Lots of potential for problems.

So Scouting in the purest BSA sense is different from how we run things in the Church. Although we do have monthly Mutual activities with the YW, and all the leaders are involved, so there's that.

Statistics: Posted by HoosierCougar — Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:46 pm

Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-15T22:26:42-06:00

Exactly right spiff, and I made this same point about 5 pages ago.

+1. Avoiding compromising situations, avoiding potentially disastrous situations. It's funny, in the corporate world, "Risk Management" is huge.

Essentially, the key to Risk Management is: "If it is predictable, it is preventable." So, if this is true for corporate America, why is it not true for the Boy Scouts of America?

Is it possible that political correctness "trumps" accepted Risk Management practices? Yes.

Statistics: Posted by Ddawg — Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:26 pm

Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-15T22:22:31-06:00

this has gotten off track again, thanks to one cornhole. so let me attempt to bring it full circle.

I don't want my young son being taught and influenced by a male leader who is kissing or holding hands with other men. I don't care if he claims to be heterosexual. That's not someone I want my young son with.
And to be honest, putting young males in a position where their leaders could be attracted them isn't fair to the gay leader. We don't put young men with the young women's leaders. In most cases it won't be a problem. But for some it might be, so we just avoid the entire situation and possibility.

+1.

Statistics: Posted by Ddawg — Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:22 pm

Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-14T08:36:52-06:00

Exactly right spiff, and I made this same point about 5 pages ago.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:36 am

Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-13T18:50:50-06:00

this has gotten off track again, thanks to one cornhole. so let me attempt to bring it full circle.

I don't want my young son being taught and influenced by a male leader who is kissing or holding hands with other men. I don't care if he claims to be heterosexual. That's not someone I want my young son with.

And to be honest, putting young males in a position where their leaders could be attracted them isn't fair to the gay leader. We don't put young men with the young women's leaders. In most cases it won't be a problem. But for some it might be, so we just avoid the entire situation and possibility.

Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:50 pm

Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-13T17:51:28-06:00

this has gotten off track again, thanks to one cornhole. so let me attempt to bring it full circle.

I don't want my young son being taught and influenced by a male leader who is kissing or holding hands with other men. I don't care if he claims to be heterosexual. That's not someone I want my young son with.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:51 pm

Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-13T11:43:59-06:00

D&C 88:35?
35 That which breaketh a law, and abideth not by law, but seeketh to become a law unto itself, and willeth to abide in sin, and altogether abideth in sin, cannot be sanctified by law, neither by mercy, justice, nor judgment. Therefore, they must remain filthy still.

+5,000. I knew it was in there somewhere.

Statistics: Posted by Cougarfan87 — Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:43 am

Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-13T09:13:10-06:00

D&C 88:35?

35 That which breaketh a law, and abideth not by law, but seeketh to become a law unto itself, and willeth to abide in sin, and altogether abideth in sin, cannot be sanctified by law, neither by mercy, justice, nor judgment. Therefore, they must remain filthy still.

Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:13 am

Re: BSA's proposed gay policy change

2013-02-13T09:10:35-06:00

I don't think that same sex attraction is a major and defining characteristic of a person unless they choose to act upon it. I, therefore, don't consider someone "gay" unless they are choosing to live the lifestyle,.
What if they just hold hands, or kiss a little?
Sounds like acting upon it to me.
Is it immoral?

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Yes, acting on homosexual feelings is immoral.
Is this your view or is this from the handbook or other source? I've looked to see what immoral homosexual action is and cannot find anything more specific than one cannot engage in homosexual conduct. We of course teach heterosexuals that they cannot engage in sexual relations outside marriage but I do not think holding hands qualifies, although that might be viewed as acting on heterosexual feelings. I honestly want to know and am not trying to troll

It is my view based on what I have gathered from the words and teachings of the prophets of the Lord. Just as acting on adulterous feelings is immoral, even holding hands and kissing. We must understand that gender is not some creation of society, but an eternal and important part of our identity. Also, sin is sin, regardless of who does it (yes, even Buddhists).

Statistics: Posted by Schmoe — Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:10 am