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Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-19T11:46:33-06:00

Heaps is the only person that was interviewed that did not sound utterly and completely defeated. He was fighting in his statements. I was happy to hear him be a little defiant.

He has not given up. Bronco sounded like he had, Kariya sounded like he had, as well as the others.

I am not saying some of his statements were off but that was what i picked up after listening to all of them on the long long drive home.

I am over this loss and ready to move on to ucf. I hope we absolutely destroy them. I hope our guys get mad instead of depressed. we need to enjoy byu football while we can. in a few years byu football may be over if we are left out in the next few weeks.

This. Word.

Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:46 am

Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-19T11:18:14-06:00

This is why I have tried over and over, last year and this year to mock you and make it obvious that you just simply wont be satisfied until you have his head on a platter...

Gunk, you and your ilk's inflammatory and reactive discontent for How Heaps could cause you such personal pain as to almost totally vilify the kid, just to make your case, is pathetic.

BUt why would I expect that you would even get this? Afterall, the Pharisees and Saducees were only more emboldened to get their man after the guy in charge "washed his hands" of taking responsibility for the situation.

I think you're self-projecting a bit here, dmcougar. I've said repeated times I bare no ill-will towards Heaps and my observations of Heaps are just that, observations. No personal pain on my end was caused by Heaps. I haven't lost a wink of sleep. I want Heaps to turn it around. I want BYU football to turn it around. If they don't, no worries on my end either. I'll find something else to do on my Saturdays. I'm sure my wife would love it.

But criticizing the critic, dmcougar, makes you no better than the critic. How are you any less Saducee/Pharisee-like than me or the rest of my "ilk?" Getting up on a pedestal and pointing a finger at me and my "ilk," insinuating we're "pathetic" and on par with those responsible for Christ's death based off of comments we've made on an Internet forum seems no different than my "ilk" and I making comments based on watching someone play football.

You openly admit you are actively engaged in mocking me. Again, how is that any better/different?

Lastly, because we're on the subject, just because I think someone is selfish or a wuss doesn't mean I don't like them or want their head on a platter. There are plenty of people I know and enjoy being with that I would characterize as selfish or pansy-like. My own daughter is quite the chicken, doesn't mean I dislike her, want her to fail, or use any moment of whimpiness to build up my own case.

Statistics: Posted by Gunk — Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:18 am

Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-19T08:30:00-06:00

Many of you need a lesson on pharisees and saducees....oh wait, Bronco already tried that.
Some of you whiny-butts are the same that probably criticized John Beck, when as a sophomore, cried during a post-game presser after a loss.
If Jake showed any weakness you'd pile it on and say, "see he's a wuss."
This is why I have tried over and over, last year and this year to mock you and make it obvious that you just simply wont be satisfied until you have his head on a platter or hear him say:

"I'M STILL THE SUCKIEST SUCK THAT EVER SUCKED." At which point in time you will be satisfied that he fell on his sword, is unworthy of your adulation and now needs removal. sounds alot like the phrase those despicable New Testament characters used when they wanted somebody else's head. We would rather have Barrabas Nelson than this dude.
Now while I never thought Jake was "the annointed one", I did think he had tremendous upside. I wll give some of you credit who thought he needed a red-shirt regardless. True statement for most any collegiate player. But, all we had was BArrabas.

Put nelson in there. Put Lark in there to satisfy your indignant selves. Put them in to see if they would do better, great--I'm all for it. Put them in there to waist time and prove that the Offensive woes are system-wide; that the leadership and coaching are as much if not more suspect than Heaps performance. But hey, we have our goat dont we!!!

Gunk, you and your ilk's inflammatory and reactive discontent for How Heaps could cause you such personal pain as to almost totally vilify the kid, just to make your case, is pathetic.

BUt why would I expect that you would even get this? Afterall, the Pharisees and Saducees were only more emboldened to get their man after the guy in charge "washed his hands" of taking responsibility for the situation.

Statistics: Posted by Cougs_Rule — Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:30 am

Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-19T08:16:41-06:00

Heaps is the only person that was interviewed that did not sound utterly and completely defeated. He was fighting in his statements. I was happy to hear him be a little defiant.

He has not given up. Bronco sounded like he had, Kariya sounded like he had, as well as the others.

I am not saying some of his statements were off but that was what i picked up after listening to all of them on the long long drive home.

I am over this loss and ready to move on to ucf. I hope we absolutely destroy them. I hope our guys get mad instead of depressed. we need to enjoy byu football while we can. in a few years byu football may be over if we are left out in the next few weeks.

Statistics: Posted by jonnylingo — Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:16 am

Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-19T02:43:17-06:00

This from Jay Drew

"Clearly, Mendenhall, offensive coordinator Brandon Doman and every player made available to the media not named Jake Heaps was humbled after the loss and said some things have to change, although Mendenhall disputed a notion that the defensive players quit in the fourth quarter when Utah’s John White ran virtually untouched for a pair of long touchdowns that turned a laugher into a Titanic-like collapse."

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Statistics: Posted by Cougarbib — Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:43 am

Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-18T22:50:05-06:00

More than happy to take the last word. Appreciate it.

...correct me in my vision of Jake Heaps simply being a young guy with significant weaknesses but who is doing his best to be a leader when no one else will, all while under immense pressure and intense scrutiny with limited support.

Same vision I have, so no correction needed. I'm merely pointing out what I think those weaknesses are and how I came to those conclusions.

Look Gunk, I agree with a lot of what you say-even in these posts that we are trading back and forth, but just quit with the character assassination.

Clearly you agree Heaps has some faults. What would say they are? I know I've got the last word, so I guess we'll never know what you think Heaps faults or "weaknesses" are. Since you agree, though, Heaps does have "weaknesses" that means the only difference between you and I is I expressed what I believe Heaps weaknesses to be and you didn't. I suppose that does make me an ass or at the very least makes you more reserved than I.

Contextual explanation? Saying Heaps avoids physical contact and is therefore a selfish coward isn't contextual explanation.

I believe I provided more context then that, but I'll elaborate as it seems I wasn't clear and seems we're more on the same page since you agree Heaps has weaknesses as well. Odds are when Heaps scrambles, sees contact coming and opts to slide rather than try to make a play, he's thinking in his head he doesn't want to get hurt. He gets hurt, he can't play, his career might end, it's painful, the team can't win without me, etc. Therefore he chooses to play it safe and slide. Live to fight another day. Not a bad motto, but if you're preoccupied with making sure you live are you ever really fighting? Heaps could choose to make a play instead of slide. He could see the defender coming and say to himself, "If I drop my shoulder or side step I might get us an extra yard or two enough for a first down." Clearly this isn't what goes through his head as he slides. Instead, self preservation is the deciding factor. Now, what would you call someone that acts according to self preservation? Maybe in some cases they'd be wise, like when buying a house. But in a team sport, like football where violence is the nature of the game, self preservation is...well...selfish.

I doubt I'll get a response, DarthMagnus, but clearly you agree Heaps has weaknesses. You had to conclude he had such based on what you see from Heaps. What, then, made you conclude Heaps has weaknesses?

I do not think Heaps is a terrible human being nor do I hate him. I'm merely stating my observations of the kid. I think I am a selfish person and as I stated believe most people are selfish. There was only one truly unselfish individual. Yet, despite the faults I have and believe everyone to have, I don't think that makes me or anyone else necessarily a terrible human being.

Statistics: Posted by Gunk — Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:50 pm

Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-18T22:04:20-06:00

Reading what you just wrote makes me want to throw up a little bit. It is so filled with putrid ignorance and hatred. THE KID IS 20 FREAKING YEARS OLD! AND HEAVEN FORBID HE TRY TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE ON THE TEAM SEEMS TO CARE TO!

Let's review what you, hiding behind the interwebs, just called the 20 year old, true sophomore qb who is probably doing the best he knows how under immense pressure, but is surrounded by a supporting cast that struggles just as much as he does: He is a selfish wuss, a fearful, cowardly little girl who is prideful and exhibits very poor character as a human being. And you have derived all of this because of the mistakes he has made playing football.

I mean no offense sir, but simply as a matter of observance: you are being a complete ass.
Not offended one bit (worse to be offended than to offend). Thought your comment was rather hilarious and hypocritical.

How many on this board are calling Heaps a wuss, coward, pansy, etc? Dozens. Yet you single me out because I'm the only one to connect the dots as to why Heaps behaves cowardly and self centeredly.

Yes, I did derive all that from watching his mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes (certainly some more than others), but how someone reacts to the mistakes they make is quite telling of the individual. Someone that acknowledges them and makes a noticeable effort to correct them tends to be a more humble individual, as I'm sure you'd agree. Someone that makes mistakes, tries to pin them on others or different circumstances and continues to repeat the same mistakes is selfish and prideful. They may not think of themselves as such, but their behavior is certainly indicative otherwise (a bitter fountain can not produce pure water).

Ever work with someone that continually showed up to work late, under performed, made promises they never delivered, or made excuses for their failure to deliver? How would you describe such an individual?

I bare no ill will or "hate" towards Heaps and fully realize he's barely 20 years old, if that. In fact, that probably has some factor into his attitude as many 20 year olds are cocky, insecure individuals. I actually hope he turns it around and not just for BYU football's sake but for his own.
You can try to dismiss me as "hilarious and hypocritical" and you can even cite the "dozens of fans" here on CC (actually, there are about four of you) calling Heaps a wuss (lets not forget that was only the very beginning of the things you said about him), but your analogies are beginning to indicate that you don’t seem to understand both what I am saying and the qb situation in general.

And let me clear this up: my telling you that you are acting like an ass is not equivalent to you, with the pleasure of being completely unaccountable for anything you say here, calling Jake Heaps a bad person because you don’t like how he plays a position in football.

Let’s break this down.

Situation: Jake Heaps has three poor performances in a row and gives poor post game interviews. The team also suffers from a general lack of leadership.

Some possible responses to the above situation:

Possible Rational Response #1. Try giving Lark or Nielson a chance
Possible Rational Response #2. Change the offensive system and see if Heaps responds
Possible Rational Response #3. Don’t let Jake talk to the media for a few weeks to change his psyche
Possible Rational Response#4. Keep teaching Heaps and letting him learn. He will eventually improve

Gunk Response - Jake Heaps is a wuss. Not just a wuss though, he also plays like a girl. And he is arrogant, selfish and prideful. Basically, he is just a bad person in general. In fact, he has such poor character as an individual that he makes poor throws, avoids contact and even struggles correcting his on-field mistakes. If you disagree, let me point out, “a bitter fountain cannot produce pure water,” and Heaps is clearly not producing “pure water” on or off the field. Also, he is just like someone at work who doesn’t exert any effort to have success in his job. Jake Heaps is a terrible human being.
Now you're putting words in my mouth. Never said he's a terrible human being. None of us here are truly unselfish, we all act in our self interest most of time. Like it or not, we're selfish. That doesn't make us terrible human beings.

I have brown hair, therefore I am a brunette. Heaps flinches at the mere possibility of contact and avoids it like the plague in a full contact sport. He's a coward. If someone steals, they're a thief.

But here, I'll put it how you put it. Heaps behaves like a wuss. Heaps behaves in his own self interest just like I am "behaving like an ass." If it walks like dog and barks like a dog that doesn't necessarily mean it's a dog, though. I don't get the logic?

You need to go and look at my other posts. I've suggested and have agreed multiple times that Heaps should be benched. That he needs some motivation and needs to earn his spot. I've also agreed that Doman needs to be up in the booth and not busy giving his players high-fives and being their best friend. I have also suggested that unless Doman can turn things around, Bronco should probably consider getting a new OC. I've also suggested changing things on the offense such as more down field passes. I've hardly just sat back from the comfort of my own home and fired off vitriol.

What I have done, is provided some basis as to why several of us on this board describe Heaps the way we do. Apparently, you consider providing context and explanation for one's opinions as more ass-like than just spouting off.

Contextual explanation? Saying Heaps avoids physical contact and is therefore a selfish coward isn't contextual explanation.

Justifying your vitriol because you've made other suggestions isn't a very strong case,

Equating the judgement of character to determining hair color is a poor analogy.

I put the "terrible human being" part in there to try to point something out to you. When you describe someone as being a wuss, a coward, selfish, a little girl, prideful, unaccountable, putting all other interests behind his own, like a "fountain that produces bitter water", breaks promises, under delivers, has a terrible work ethic, is of poor character, you don't have to say outright that they are a terrible person. It would just be redundant.

Look Gunk, I agree with a lot of what you say-even in these posts that we are trading back and forth, but just quit with the character assassination.

Though I find a great deal of your logic in need of correction, I am getting tired of beating a dead horse.

So, I am going to let you have the last word. Use it wisely and correct me in my vision of Jake Heaps simply being a young guy with significant weaknesses but who is doing his best to be a leader when no one else will, all while under immense pressure and intense scrutiny with limited support.

Statistics: Posted by DarthMagnus — Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:04 pm

Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-18T21:10:01-06:00

Reading what you just wrote makes me want to throw up a little bit. It is so filled with putrid ignorance and hatred. THE KID IS 20 FREAKING YEARS OLD! AND HEAVEN FORBID HE TRY TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE ON THE TEAM SEEMS TO CARE TO!

Let's review what you, hiding behind the interwebs, just called the 20 year old, true sophomore qb who is probably doing the best he knows how under immense pressure, but is surrounded by a supporting cast that struggles just as much as he does: He is a selfish wuss, a fearful, cowardly little girl who is prideful and exhibits very poor character as a human being. And you have derived all of this because of the mistakes he has made playing football.

I mean no offense sir, but simply as a matter of observance: you are being a complete ass.
Not offended one bit (worse to be offended than to offend). Thought your comment was rather hilarious and hypocritical.

How many on this board are calling Heaps a wuss, coward, pansy, etc? Dozens. Yet you single me out because I'm the only one to connect the dots as to why Heaps behaves cowardly and self centeredly.

Yes, I did derive all that from watching his mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes (certainly some more than others), but how someone reacts to the mistakes they make is quite telling of the individual. Someone that acknowledges them and makes a noticeable effort to correct them tends to be a more humble individual, as I'm sure you'd agree. Someone that makes mistakes, tries to pin them on others or different circumstances and continues to repeat the same mistakes is selfish and prideful. They may not think of themselves as such, but their behavior is certainly indicative otherwise (a bitter fountain can not produce pure water).

Ever work with someone that continually showed up to work late, under performed, made promises they never delivered, or made excuses for their failure to deliver? How would you describe such an individual?

I bare no ill will or "hate" towards Heaps and fully realize he's barely 20 years old, if that. In fact, that probably has some factor into his attitude as many 20 year olds are cocky, insecure individuals. I actually hope he turns it around and not just for BYU football's sake but for his own.
You can try to dismiss me as "hilarious and hypocritical" and you can even cite the "dozens of fans" here on CC (actually, there are about four of you) calling Heaps a wuss (lets not forget that was only the very beginning of the things you said about him), but your analogies are beginning to indicate that you don’t seem to understand both what I am saying and the qb situation in general.

And let me clear this up: my telling you that you are acting like an ass is not equivalent to you, with the pleasure of being completely unaccountable for anything you say here, calling Jake Heaps a bad person because you don’t like how he plays a position in football.

Let’s break this down.

Situation: Jake Heaps has three poor performances in a row and gives poor post game interviews. The team also suffers from a general lack of leadership.

Some possible responses to the above situation:

Possible Rational Response #1. Try giving Lark or Nielson a chance
Possible Rational Response #2. Change the offensive system and see if Heaps responds
Possible Rational Response #3. Don’t let Jake talk to the media for a few weeks to change his psyche
Possible Rational Response#4. Keep teaching Heaps and letting him learn. He will eventually improve

Gunk Response - Jake Heaps is a wuss. Not just a wuss though, he also plays like a girl. And he is arrogant, selfish and prideful. Basically, he is just a bad person in general. In fact, he has such poor character as an individual that he makes poor throws, avoids contact and even struggles correcting his on-field mistakes. If you disagree, let me point out, “a bitter fountain cannot produce pure water,” and Heaps is clearly not producing “pure water” on or off the field. Also, he is just like someone at work who doesn’t exert any effort to have success in his job. Jake Heaps is a terrible human being.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. Never said he's a terrible human being. None of us here are truly unselfish, we all act in our self interest most of time. Like it or not, we're selfish. That doesn't make us terrible human beings.

I have brown hair, therefore I am a brunette. Heaps flinches at the mere possibility of contact and avoids it like the plague in a full contact sport. He's a coward. If someone steals, they're a thief.

But here, I'll put it how you put it. Heaps behaves like a wuss. Heaps behaves in his own self interest just like I am "behaving like an ass." If it walks like dog and barks like a dog that doesn't necessarily mean it's a dog, though. I don't get the logic?

You need to go and look at my other posts. I've suggested and have agreed multiple times that Heaps should be benched. That he needs some motivation and needs to earn his spot. I've also agreed that Doman needs to be up in the booth and not busy giving his players high-fives and being their best friend. I have also suggested that unless Doman can turn things around, Bronco should probably consider getting a new OC. I've also suggested changing things on the offense such as more down field passes. I've hardly just sat back from the comfort of my own home and fired off vitriol.

What I have done, is provided some basis as to why several of us on this board describe Heaps the way we do. Apparently, you consider providing context and explanation for one's opinions as more ass-like than just spouting off.

Statistics: Posted by Gunk — Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:10 pm

Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-18T19:58:01-06:00

Reading what you just wrote makes me want to throw up a little bit. It is so filled with putrid ignorance and hatred. THE KID IS 20 FREAKING YEARS OLD! AND HEAVEN FORBID HE TRY TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE ON THE TEAM SEEMS TO CARE TO!

Let's review what you, hiding behind the interwebs, just called the 20 year old, true sophomore qb who is probably doing the best he knows how under immense pressure, but is surrounded by a supporting cast that struggles just as much as he does: He is a selfish wuss, a fearful, cowardly little girl who is prideful and exhibits very poor character as a human being. And you have derived all of this because of the mistakes he has made playing football.

I mean no offense sir, but simply as a matter of observance: you are being a complete ass.
Not offended one bit (worse to be offended than to offend). Thought your comment was rather hilarious and hypocritical.

How many on this board are calling Heaps a wuss, coward, pansy, etc? Dozens. Yet you single me out because I'm the only one to connect the dots as to why Heaps behaves cowardly and self centeredly.

Yes, I did derive all that from watching his mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes (certainly some more than others), but how someone reacts to the mistakes they make is quite telling of the individual. Someone that acknowledges them and makes a noticeable effort to correct them tends to be a more humble individual, as I'm sure you'd agree. Someone that makes mistakes, tries to pin them on others or different circumstances and continues to repeat the same mistakes is selfish and prideful. They may not think of themselves as such, but their behavior is certainly indicative otherwise (a bitter fountain can not produce pure water).

Ever work with someone that continually showed up to work late, under performed, made promises they never delivered, or made excuses for their failure to deliver? How would you describe such an individual?

I bare no ill will or "hate" towards Heaps and fully realize he's barely 20 years old, if that. In fact, that probably has some factor into his attitude as many 20 year olds are cocky, insecure individuals. I actually hope he turns it around and not just for BYU football's sake but for his own.

You can try to dismiss me as "hilarious and hypocritical" and you can even cite the "dozens of fans" here on CC (actually, there are about four of you) calling Heaps a wuss (lets not forget that was only the very beginning of the things you said about him), but your analogies are beginning to indicate that you don’t seem to understand both what I am saying and the qb situation in general.

And let me clear this up: my telling you that you are acting like an ass is not equivalent to you, with the pleasure of being completely unaccountable for anything you say here, calling Jake Heaps a bad person because you don’t like how he plays a position in football.

Let’s break this down.

Situation: Jake Heaps has three poor performances in a row and gives poor post game interviews. The team also suffers from a general lack of leadership.

Some possible responses to the above situation:

Possible Rational Response #1. Try giving Lark or Nielson a chance
Possible Rational Response #2. Change the offensive system and see if Heaps responds
Possible Rational Response #3. Don’t let Jake talk to the media for a few weeks to change his psyche
Possible Rational Response#4. Keep teaching Heaps and letting him learn. He will eventually improve

Gunk Response - Jake Heaps is a wuss. Not just a wuss though, he also plays like a girl. And he is arrogant, selfish and prideful. Basically, he is just a bad person in general. In fact, he has such poor character as an individual that he makes poor throws, avoids contact and even struggles correcting his on-field mistakes. If you disagree, let me point out, “a bitter fountain cannot produce pure water,” and Heaps is clearly not producing “pure water” on or off the field. Also, he is just like someone at work who doesn’t exert any effort to have success in his job. Jake Heaps is a terrible human being.

Statistics: Posted by DarthMagnus — Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:58 pm

Re: Heaps' Post-Game Comments

2011-09-18T18:07:04-06:00

To finish my humble thought. That is a coach action Bronco can and should do immediately

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Statistics: Posted by BoiseBYU — Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:07 pm