Is Riley a legend in the making?

[jonnylingo]

Is that the best you can do? Sorenson kicked a 42 yarder and a 44 yarder in that game. Just say we don't know for a fact that we score? Riley had us in the red zone and turned it over more than once. he could have won us that game despite the special teams crap.

we ran and passed for more yards than tcu. riley should have won us that game. he came up short. he played well minus his huge turnovers. he had two interceptions and a fumble. The most important part you are not addressing is that two of those turnovers CAME IN THE RED ZONE. that was a perfect opportunity for riley to win that came. had he punched it in instead of turning it over we would have had 14 points. if he splits them we get 10 points.

You are not being honest if you are disputing the fact that despite the special teams blunders, riley played well enough to win us that game. he had us in position to win. he blew it with stupid turnovers.

I don't care, I am just saying he could have had a signature win. he was in the red zone twice. just needed to not screw up and get the ball in the endzone. i am not disputing that had special teams not spotted tcu the ball inside the 50 more than once that we still would have have won. that is obvious. we outplayed tcu minus those turnovers. all i am saying is that riley wins that game if he doesn't turn the ball over three time. that killed us just as much as the special teams turnovers.

I am aware of Riley's turnovers, and I admit that during the game it irritated me that he didn't just take the sack and come back to play another down. My point is, that we can't just drop all the blame for the loss on the guy that had us with a chance to win AFTER spotting TCU 28 points on special teams.

No your point was that all the blame should be on the special teams. My point was that all the blame should not be on the special teams because despite the special teams riley had a very good shot at getting that signature win nonetheless if you take away his three turnovers. three turnovers is ALOT, especially when two are in the red zone.

riley will get better. he is playing smarter and learning. his arm kind of sucks but that is okay because he buys time with his feet and keeps defenses honest. I have been surprised at how much better he has gotten. He really has improved a lot this year and I assume that next year he will be smarter and eliminate some of his turnovers. He will also get better and better at reading defenses. Another benefit of Riley as qb is that he is very intelligent.

[frdbtr]

Is that the best you can do? Sorenson kicked a 42 yarder and a 44 yarder in that game. Just say we don't know for a fact that we score? Riley had us in the red zone and turned it over more than once. he could have won us that game despite the special teams crap.

we ran and passed for more yards than tcu. riley should have won us that game. he came up short. he played well minus his huge turnovers. he had two interceptions and a fumble. The most important part you are not addressing is that two of those turnovers CAME IN THE RED ZONE. that was a perfect opportunity for riley to win that came. had he punched it in instead of turning it over we would have had 14 points. if he splits them we get 10 points.

You are not being honest if you are disputing the fact that despite the special teams blunders, riley played well enough to win us that game. he had us in position to win. he blew it with stupid turnovers.

I don't care, I am just saying he could have had a signature win. he was in the red zone twice. just needed to not screw up and get the ball in the endzone. i am not disputing that had special teams not spotted tcu the ball inside the 50 more than once that we still would have have won. that is obvious. we outplayed tcu minus those turnovers. all i am saying is that riley wins that game if he doesn't turn the ball over three time. that killed us just as much as the special teams turnovers.

I am aware of Riley's turnovers, and I admit that during the game it irritated me that he didn't just take the sack and come back to play another down. My point is, that we can't just drop all the blame for the loss on the guy that had us with a chance to win AFTER spotting TCU 28 points on special teams.

No your point was that all the blame should be on the special teams. My point was that all the blame should not be on the special teams because despite the special teams riley had a very good shot at getting that signature win nonetheless if you take away his three turnovers. three turnovers is ALOT, especially when two are in the red zone.

riley will get better. he is playing smarter and learning. his arm kind of sucks but that is okay because he buys time with his feet and keeps defenses honest. I have been surprised at how much better he has gotten. He really has improved a lot this year and I assume that next year he will be smarter and eliminate some of his turnovers. He will also get better and better at reading defenses. Another benefit of Riley as qb is that he is very intelligent.

What I said in my point was what I was thinking when i wrote it. I guess you know how I think better then I do since you just told me what I was thinking in your post. I do blame special teams 100% for the loss. You were saying that Riley Nelson is responsible for the loss with his 3 turnovers, that is why I said that was my point above. Riley's 3 turnovers resulted in 3 points scored by TCU, the special teams turnovers resulted in 28 points scored by TCU. I am not a math wiz by any stretch of the imagination but that seems pretty clear to me. I don't care if we had 10 turnovers in the Red zone, if they don't result in points by the other team they only hurt us by taking away a possesion. You can't prescribe a point value to them because there is no way of knowing if we would have converted a TD, or a FG or got stopped or missed the FG. Anything you might say about whether we would have scored is complete conjecture, I however have showed with numbers how TCU scored on all of the special teams mistakes. So I guess if you can't see the logic in that, then we will have to agree to disagree.

[SpoCoug]

I don't accept the premise that the special teams spotted TCU 28 points.

TCU's first scoring drive, after a 39-yard kickoff return, was 61 yards in 2 plays (with the defense committing a personal foul and allowing a 48-yard touchdown pass).

Their second scoring drive, after a fumbled snap on the punt attempt, was 8 yards in 2 plays.

Their third scoring drive, after a blocked punt that still netted 23 yards, was 37 yards in 3 plays.

Their fourth scoring drive, after a 19-yard punt return, was 45 yards in 2 plays (33-yard TD pass).

Their fifth scoring drive, after another fumbled snap on a punt, was 38 yards in 4 plays.

Yes, the special teams was bad, actually having a hand in all 5 TCU touchdowns. But the touchdowns weren't exactly gift-wrapped by the special teams. Our defense gave up an average 14.5 yards per play on the touchdown drives.

[BYUROCKS]

Nelson, the Cup Cake slayer....

[BroncoBot]

better then getting beat by cupcake usu 2x....

[SpiffCoug]

Nelson, the Cup Cake slayer....

BYU the Cup Cake slayer.

We make bad teams look bad and beat them.

We don't beat the good teams.

[cougarnerd]

I'm glad we don't have to pitch this as a Riley vs Heaps deal anymore. Remember last year the same was being said about Heaps. He had done very well against the cupcakes we played the second half of the year. I feel the same could be said about Riley this year. Everyone is riding his wave right now but he has done well playing sub par teams. Will he be able to make those circus passes with a good D-1 rush in his face? Will he be able to find an open receiver when facing a good secondary? I like the energy he brings to the game, I like his leadership but I'll wait until we've played a few good teams next year before I will start thinking he has a shot at legendom!

Go Cougs!
L Hatton
Louisville, KY

Could be true, but Riley plays like he really wants to be here, and it's not just a stepping stone for his next big gig.
-signed one of biggest Heaps fans there was.

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Just wait until a defense stacks the box and forces him to throw. Nelson will be exposed then and you will be begging for Heaps to come back. [/TIC circa October]

That's when Riley makes his signature move composing of 2-3 Detmer Dodges before relesaing the ball 20 yards downfield for a first down. Not always smart, but that's what he does.

[cougarnerd]

You are not being honest if you are disputing the fact that despite the special teams blunders, riley played well enough to win us that game. he had us in position to win. he blew it with stupid turnovers.

That sounds like Boston College of 2006 from the way you're making your argument.

[cougarnerd]

Nelson, the Cup Cake slayer....

BYU the Cup Cake slayer.

We make bad teams look bad and beat them.

We don't beat the good teams.

And that's what makes us good, not great.

[Dcr36]

Nelson, the Cup Cake slayer....

C'mon, really?

If we exclude Riley/Jake split games, Jake's only win against a winning team was 2010 SDSU, where BYU ran the ball 3 times more then they threw it. Jake threw for 126 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT.

Likewise, if you count Max Hall's record against non-con teams with winning records, and only TCU and Utah in the MWC, his record was 5-7. Yet those accounted for all of his losses - his overall record was 32-7.

BYU QBs have always feasted on cupcakes.