Doman on the way out
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The main issue IMO this year has been execution NOT so much scheme. Byu could have had a very special season IF the o-line and Qb performance was better. Those two units lost vs Utah and BSU on their own. The FG kicking has been horrible as well. I'd go for a new O-Line coach and maybe switch up coach reynolds to RB's and get a new TE coach.
Doman should get 1-2 more years in my book. Bronco needs to get more involved with the offense as well.
Doman should get 1-2 more years in my book. Bronco needs to get more involved with the offense as well.
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Agreed, there has been a lot of big issues this year with our QB, O-line, and ST's. When there are this many departments with serious problems it can only be directed toward the head coach. At the end of the day it's his responsibility to have the team functioning like a well oiled machine.stgeorgefan wrote:The main issue IMO this year has been execution NOT so much scheme. Byu could have had a very special season IF the o-line and Qb performance was better. Those two units lost vs Utah and BSU on their own. The FG kicking has been horrible as well. I'd go for a new O-Line coach and maybe switch up coach reynolds to RB's and get a new TE coach.
Doman should get 1-2 more years in my book. Bronco needs to get more involved with the offense as well.
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Fixed your post.stgeorgefan wrote:The main issue IMO this year has been execution NOT so much scheme. Byu could have had a very special season IF the o-line andOR Qb performance was better. Those two units lost vs Utah and BSU on their own. The FG kicking has been horrible as well. I'd go for a new O-Line coach and maybe switch up coach reynolds to RB's and get a new TE coach.
Doman should get 1-2 more years in my book. Bronco needs to get more involved with the offense as well.
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make no mistake, for all of his faults, bronco is the best coach for byu right now. If he leaves, the program takes a big step backwards.Cougarbib wrote:Bronco has done a great job. He is stubborn. He is naive at times. He lacks warmth and charm with fans and the media. He is outstanding with the players. He is classy and has high integrity. My worry is that he might be approaching the time that he would rather be doing something else.
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In case it was not clear in my post that you quoted, I totally and simply agree.Y 4 Ever wrote:make no mistake, for all of his faults, bronco is the best coach for byu right now. If he leaves, the program takes a big step backwards.Cougarbib wrote:Bronco has done a great job. He is stubborn. He is naive at times. He lacks warmth and charm with fans and the media. He is outstanding with the players. He is classy and has high integrity. My worry is that he might be approaching the time that he would rather be doing something else.
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Anae just might be the guy. Wisconsin DC says Anae is totally unpredictable because he just runs a bunch of plays with no rhyme or reason. Whooped Butt on Houston DC for 3 of 4 quarters. Destroyed Texas DC and HC careers.
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I understood and was agreeing with you. You must not be used to thatCougarbib wrote:In case it was not clear in my post that you quoted, I totally and simply agree.Y 4 Ever wrote:make no mistake, for all of his faults, bronco is the best coach for byu right now. If he leaves, the program takes a big step backwards.Cougarbib wrote:Bronco has done a great job. He is stubborn. He is naive at times. He lacks warmth and charm with fans and the media. He is outstanding with the players. He is classy and has high integrity. My worry is that he might be approaching the time that he would rather be doing something else.
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Ever since Hawking posted that Brandon D. is shopping his resume - I have been thinking about this. I really, really hope he does not leave.
My reasoning. Let's say you own company & hire a bright MBA. No experience, but bright and lots of upside. He works for you, for 2 years. Yes, he makes some mistakes. But, he is learning quickly and progressing above average.
At the end of 2 years he becomes discouraged because his achievements are not what he expected. He set high goals, and has not measured up - to both his expectations, your boss, your peers, and your stockholders.
So - what do you do? Pull the plug on this bright employee? No way. You just got 2 years "OJT" educational experience invested in your future shining start. I think he gets 2 more years. But, if he need more support (offensive line) to succeed - you make sure he gets it. There is no magic wand in the real business world.
I want to see Brandon Doman succeed in the Cougar organization. I really believe he can be a very good OC. The last 2 years has seen a collection of crazy set of circumstances that normally don't exist in a program, normally. I think both Brandon and Bronco have grown and are better because of the last 2 difficult years. Cougar football will be better if BD stays.
My reasoning. Let's say you own company & hire a bright MBA. No experience, but bright and lots of upside. He works for you, for 2 years. Yes, he makes some mistakes. But, he is learning quickly and progressing above average.
At the end of 2 years he becomes discouraged because his achievements are not what he expected. He set high goals, and has not measured up - to both his expectations, your boss, your peers, and your stockholders.
So - what do you do? Pull the plug on this bright employee? No way. You just got 2 years "OJT" educational experience invested in your future shining start. I think he gets 2 more years. But, if he need more support (offensive line) to succeed - you make sure he gets it. There is no magic wand in the real business world.
I want to see Brandon Doman succeed in the Cougar organization. I really believe he can be a very good OC. The last 2 years has seen a collection of crazy set of circumstances that normally don't exist in a program, normally. I think both Brandon and Bronco have grown and are better because of the last 2 difficult years. Cougar football will be better if BD stays.
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Where is the evidence that Doman is either "learning quickly" or "progressing above average"?
All I've seen is blowouts of D-IIIAAAAA teams and our offense playing tiddlywinks against everyone else ever since Anae left, and I haven't seen anything improve until we get to said D-IIIAAAAA teams.
All I've seen is blowouts of D-IIIAAAAA teams and our offense playing tiddlywinks against everyone else ever since Anae left, and I haven't seen anything improve until we get to said D-IIIAAAAA teams.
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Wow. Interesting. A couple thoughts.
Hawk, i know you are not kidding about Doman because you have been tough on him all year. But to say that Doman is more in favor of Riley Than Bronco, might be a bit clouded. THeir interviews throughout the year, particularly around Utah and BSU were very obvious to me. Bronco was All about Riley this and that. BD carefully and in code indicated his reservations several times. Bronco should have shut down Riley's "I'm not changing" routine, but has been indulged for much of the season. Clearly, Riley was in defiance of at least Doman or someone's stated expectations that Riley change. Why else would Riley say, "I'm not changing."
Second, I watched and posted about the friction between Bronco and Doman during the OSU game. I really think it is not good between them. i would bet money on it.
I would also go so far as to speculate that LArk proved himself as did Doman vs NMSU. And when Doman said "enough Bronco, Lark needs to start. Riley is hurt and his effectiveness has hurt this team." At that moment Doman grew up and was no longer a "YES MAN" and Bronco did not like it one bit--that was it. Doman knows that his wagon hitched to Bronco will limit his ability to grow and thrive in his coaching career. Or Bronco said I will not tolerate insubordination. "RILEY IS OUR STARTER." There was no "we'll assess, see if Rley can go, look at the film, etc, etc, etc. Immediately after the game, it was "Riley will be the starter." Contrary to what Bib has been claiming all year about harmony, it has simply not been the case.
I want both to stay. But I wager Doman is done with Bronco or Bronco is done with Doman.
I would Also venture a guess, that when TH went public in his criticisms of Riley and had a sit down with Bronco prior to GT (when Riley Showed the first ever signs of throwing the ball away like a mature QB would do) Bronco did not appreciate TH "meddling" if not undermining Broncos love fest by going to the media about specifics on the football team. This makes me wonder if Bronco got ticked at that; already being in a state of annoyance with fans; and add also the media, including even Homer Greg Wrubell in all his tweets, stats and doubt making, and BRONCO with his achilles heal--thin skin, started saying "I have had enough"--again, if its true that Bronco is shopping options.
Further, if BD knows Bronco is shopping and on the way out, he is looking at options bc he may get passed over and probably is not ready to be HC, even though he wants it. Doesn't want To be left hanging.
It's too bad. Broncos Achilles heal, his "easily offended-ness", is as many of us have predicted, the vulnerability that would see him out the door. And I must say to Bronco, if he thinks other university towns will love him unconditionally, he may want to choose a D-II school bc, his inability to take scrutiny without letting it roll off his back....it just aint gonna happen. He picked the wrong profession if he doesn't want the scrutiny.
Dont get me wrong, I want Bronco to stay. But I wouldn't beg him to stay. We may have a tough season next year if he leaves, and the schedule, but TH would not send BM packing without having scouted some options for HCs. Further, I think it would be no more or less than what many of you have said about Heaps being a "quitter." Bronco would be turning his back on a lot of recruits. But I'm not sure Bronco is going anywhere. Im not buying that rumor.
Reynolds needs to retire. He's old and tired.
Weber needs to go. I like him, but he has not got the job done for over three years.
Beyond that, hold fast coaches. Hang in there.
Hawk, i know you are not kidding about Doman because you have been tough on him all year. But to say that Doman is more in favor of Riley Than Bronco, might be a bit clouded. THeir interviews throughout the year, particularly around Utah and BSU were very obvious to me. Bronco was All about Riley this and that. BD carefully and in code indicated his reservations several times. Bronco should have shut down Riley's "I'm not changing" routine, but has been indulged for much of the season. Clearly, Riley was in defiance of at least Doman or someone's stated expectations that Riley change. Why else would Riley say, "I'm not changing."
Second, I watched and posted about the friction between Bronco and Doman during the OSU game. I really think it is not good between them. i would bet money on it.
I would also go so far as to speculate that LArk proved himself as did Doman vs NMSU. And when Doman said "enough Bronco, Lark needs to start. Riley is hurt and his effectiveness has hurt this team." At that moment Doman grew up and was no longer a "YES MAN" and Bronco did not like it one bit--that was it. Doman knows that his wagon hitched to Bronco will limit his ability to grow and thrive in his coaching career. Or Bronco said I will not tolerate insubordination. "RILEY IS OUR STARTER." There was no "we'll assess, see if Rley can go, look at the film, etc, etc, etc. Immediately after the game, it was "Riley will be the starter." Contrary to what Bib has been claiming all year about harmony, it has simply not been the case.
I want both to stay. But I wager Doman is done with Bronco or Bronco is done with Doman.
I would Also venture a guess, that when TH went public in his criticisms of Riley and had a sit down with Bronco prior to GT (when Riley Showed the first ever signs of throwing the ball away like a mature QB would do) Bronco did not appreciate TH "meddling" if not undermining Broncos love fest by going to the media about specifics on the football team. This makes me wonder if Bronco got ticked at that; already being in a state of annoyance with fans; and add also the media, including even Homer Greg Wrubell in all his tweets, stats and doubt making, and BRONCO with his achilles heal--thin skin, started saying "I have had enough"--again, if its true that Bronco is shopping options.
Further, if BD knows Bronco is shopping and on the way out, he is looking at options bc he may get passed over and probably is not ready to be HC, even though he wants it. Doesn't want To be left hanging.
It's too bad. Broncos Achilles heal, his "easily offended-ness", is as many of us have predicted, the vulnerability that would see him out the door. And I must say to Bronco, if he thinks other university towns will love him unconditionally, he may want to choose a D-II school bc, his inability to take scrutiny without letting it roll off his back....it just aint gonna happen. He picked the wrong profession if he doesn't want the scrutiny.
Dont get me wrong, I want Bronco to stay. But I wouldn't beg him to stay. We may have a tough season next year if he leaves, and the schedule, but TH would not send BM packing without having scouted some options for HCs. Further, I think it would be no more or less than what many of you have said about Heaps being a "quitter." Bronco would be turning his back on a lot of recruits. But I'm not sure Bronco is going anywhere. Im not buying that rumor.
Reynolds needs to retire. He's old and tired.
Weber needs to go. I like him, but he has not got the job done for over three years.
Beyond that, hold fast coaches. Hang in there.
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