Doman on the way out

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Re: Doman on the way out

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hawkwing wrote:I have neither the time nor the inclination to attempt to prove myself wrong, especially when I know I'm right.

Doman wanted Nelson to play. He played. It was a mistake.

End of story.

You have a long history of misreading quotes or taking a small extract of a quote and turning it to fit your preconceived notions. I have never seen a single quote from Brandon Doman that says he did not want Riley Nelson to play. If you want to prove that he did in fact say that, the burden of proof is on you.
You may disregard my interpretation of these brief quotes and attempt to vilify me for using them, But those things were said. They are on record.

"Doman wanted Nelson to play".....every game that he did and shouldn't have? So he muscled Bronco into changing Broncos own rule "if you don't practice you don't play"?

Good gravy. Why are you being so snobbish and withholding? At least say, I have a source or on good opinion or something.

Where are your quotes? Unless you end all your disagreements or stated positions with "END OF STORY." ;)


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Re: Doman on the way out

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Cougs_Rule wrote:
hawkwing wrote:I have neither the time nor the inclination to attempt to prove myself wrong, especially when I know I'm right.

Doman wanted Nelson to play. He played. It was a mistake.

End of story.

You have a long history of misreading quotes or taking a small extract of a quote and turning it to fit your preconceived notions. I have never seen a single quote from Brandon Doman that says he did not want Riley Nelson to play. If you want to prove that he did in fact say that, the burden of proof is on you.
You may disregard my interpretation of these brief quotes and attempt to vilify me for using them, But those things were said. They are on record.

"Doman wanted Nelson to play".....every game that he did and shouldn't have? So he muscled Bronco into changing Broncos own rule "if you don't practice you don't play"?

Good gravy. Why are you being so snobbish and withholding? At least say, I have a source or on good opinion or something.

Where are your quotes? Unless you end all your disagreements or stated positions with "END OF STORY." ;)
You can't paraphrase a quote, based on your memory, and then say those quotes happened, or I could just put these quotes:

"Riley Nelson is a fighter and a very good QB, he gives us our best chance to win." - Brandon Doman.

I've discussed in other threads and comments where my opinions are based on, a mix of a sources and conjecture. In fact, I think I have in previous comments in this thread. So repeatedly asking me for the same thing wont change it.


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Re: Doman on the way out

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To be fair, I just spent a great deal of time searching for any possible quote from Brandon Doman that said to me that he was opposed to playing Riley Nelson but Bronco Mendenhall overruled him.

Not a single one.


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Of course. Where would you find a quote like that? Right next to the article explaining that BD was let go. Wait, BD is rumored to be putting out his résumé. Isn't that what this thread is about? Why would BD do this, if he has any knowledge of whatever rumors exist out there that he could feasibly be on a short list for Broncos replacement someday.
So, is Bronco quitting BD (but never did with Riley)?
Is BD quitting Bronco?
And when was the timeframe of the quote you gave?

Thanks for offering something. I am glad to see that your opinion is based in at least as much conjecture as mine and many others on here.


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Re: Doman on the way out

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I don't think that Riley was forced on anyone by anyone. Doman, Bronco and the teams leadership counsel were all in agreement that Riley gave us the best shot at winning or he would not have played. Having said that, I do think that something happened outside of Doman's control for the utah and BSU games. I just can't imagine a Ocoordinator spending an entire week preparing a guy and creating a game plan for him and then throwing all that away in order to start someone else 5 minutes before kick off.


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Re: Doman on the way out

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hawkwing wrote:I have neither the time nor the inclination to attempt to prove myself wrong, especially when I know I'm right.

Doman wanted Nelson to play. He played. It was a mistake.

End of story.

You have a long history of misreading quotes or taking a small extract of a quote and turning it to fit your preconceived notions. I have never seen a single quote from Brandon Doman that says he did not want Riley Nelson to play. If you want to prove that he did in fact say that, the burden of proof is on you.
I wanted to help Hawk out since you put the burden of proof on Hawk. I searched high and low and in between and found no such quote. There is not one to be found. Hawk is right about that.

What everyone seems to be missing in their black and white view of this and everything else is that perhaps both strongly agreed or one strongly wanted Riley and the other was open to that yet uncertain so went with the other. Perhaps both were clueless so they tossed a coin or asked Riley what he thought. There is no evidence that they had any disagreement at all.

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We know that doman chose to practice lark all utah prep week and then someone decided friday that riley would get the start. then to make things worse we kept him in while he was sucking it up.

then we did the same thing the next week. It is true that doman let nelson persuade him to keep him in longer in the bsu game after doman had made the decision to pull him.

we will never know. i don't want bronco gone though. i am completely okay with doman being fired. he is in over his head.


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hawkwing wrote:To be fair, I just spent a great deal of time searching for any possible quote from Brandon Doman that said to me that he was opposed to playing Riley Nelson but Bronco Mendenhall overruled him.

Not a single one.
To be fair, do you honestly think Doman would make such a statement? Even if that were the case, do you think Doman, or any assistant coach that wanted to keep his job, would come out and say in public, "I wanted the other guy but the HC wouldn't let me."

Come on, be serious. How would that help unity in the locker room? Of course you're not going to find such a quote whether or not Doman wanted to bench Riley.


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I stumbled across a Deep Shades of BS article and Poll on the Doman replacing Anae decision back when rumor came out that Doman was the guy after Anae went to Arizona.

He talked about the risk of forcing out a good, proven Anae in hopes to get a great coach with a higher ceiling and that if it worked - Bronco and Holmoe would be heroes - if it failed - they would share the same fate as Anae.

Talked about Doman being inexperienced, a product only of the Mendenhall system, no BCS school experience at any level.

Then posed the question in the Poll - Is Doman the right choice to replace the recently departed Anae.

85% - picked YES

I think the honeymoon is over now. Bronco has taken heat as directed. Holmoe has done a little finger-pointing in directions that make him popular. So he is not taking heat - at least until BYU gets passed over by Big 12 or PAC again.

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Re: Doman on the way out

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Having watched True Blue, it certainly seems like Doman is a man on the way out...also, a few references made me think that Doman could be frustrated by not having final say in who starts at quarterback. I have no inside sources...it just appeared that way.


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