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CougarCorner • Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself... - Page 6
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Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:44 pm
by Cougarbib
frdbtr wrote:
Cougarbib wrote:Recent quotes from linemen indicate that they are still learning what they have been given. The answer to that is not to give them more. Penalties come from a lack of confidence and a lack of experience.

47 points will beat any team on our schedule including UVA and Utah. But the defense has to show up. It took the defense too long to figure out what to do when a key starter - couldn't go after headache in warmups.

To say that our defense was so overmatched that they had no chance is asinine. Our defense, once they finally adjusted, held up pretty well. So, they clearly were capable of stopping Houston. That is how BYU came from behind to win. Our defense finally got some stops and the Houston defense wore down and could not stop BYU late. That is what GFGH is all about.

Our D was money in Q1and most of Q2 other than refs missing a blatant shove off by Houston, horrible tackling giving up KOR to the house, and Pick 6. So lack of 1 key player does not explain why the D had such trouble in Q3 and early Q4 only to become solid again in late Q4.

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It was Q2 that the defense struggled its worst. Bronco's adjustment was to bench Morgan and put Povey in his place with Hague in Povey's place and it worked for most of the rest of the game.

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To me struggle means give up points. I misspoke. Got thinking 1st half vs 1st qtr. You are right. Which still makes my point. Defense was lock down until BYU led 24-21 and that would have been 31-0 but for missed PI, KOR to house, pick 6, WR Shoving Off DB, and pick in Red Endzone. Then Houston figured out who to pick on. That worked for a while, and then BYU held them to 6 not counting Safety. BYU had the D personnel to slow down Houston early and late so it is asinine to claim they did not have the personnel in between that.

BTW folks, I am going to go back and watch it again. Not to nitpick and bicker - just to enjoy it all over again.

I imagine our coaches and players have already taken a close look at it as has BSU.

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Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:53 pm
by stuckinbig10country
There has been one middle screen this year to Jamaal. It got 2 yards. They do run slants, but slants with an extra defender in the box might not be the best option, since most quick slants run right to where the defender is with 8 men in the box.

Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:01 pm
by jonnylingo
frdbtr wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:
frdbtr wrote: I haven't seen one inside screen called this year. IMO it is a bad idea to call plays that were not schemed in practice the week before. I don't even know if those plays are even in the play book. Maybe the coaches feel that if the Oline can pick up the blitzes, we don't need to call those types of plays. Ogletree showed that most of the time when blitzes were effective against BYU it was because of a breakdown in blocking.
If you had an offensive line as injury ridden and unskilled or new as ours, would you practice these types of plays to counter the pressure? Would you use them in games to counter pressure?
Maybe. I guess it would depend on whether I wanted to install a new offense after fall camp. The coaches probably feel it is better to learn to execute the current playbook better than rewriting it mid season.
I think blue is better is talking about running plays that we have already ran more, not installing a new offense. the distinction is pretty glaring.

Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:12 pm
by stgeorgefan
BlueIsBetter wrote:
stgeorgefan wrote:
Why would anyone start a thread complaining about Howell? He doesn't call the plays. He coaches the defensive backs.
Because Nick Howell is the D coord.. FWIW I put " coach Howell and coach Mendenhall"
It really doesn't matter my point is the same.

We give up a season high in points and nobody is nit picking the defensive coaches. On the flip side the offense scores it's season high and we have multiple threads about either Anae being out coached or what Anae should have done different.

Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:14 pm
by hawkwing
stuckinbig10country wrote:There has been one middle screen this year to Jamaal. It got 2 yards. They do run slants, but slants with an extra defender in the box might not be the best option, since most quick slants run right to where the defender is with 8 men in the box.
Exactly, the best thing to do would be to hit a RB on a quick out to the flats, but unfortunately that's the most disastrous play in our current repertoire. Only a wool-brained fool would want the BYU offense to run more of that.

I do agree that Hill takes too long in the pocket sometimes, but how much of that is actually play calling and how much of that is him waiting a touch too long to watch the play develop before he pulls the trigger.

Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:15 pm
by hawkwing
stgeorgefan wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:
stgeorgefan wrote:
Why would anyone start a thread complaining about Howell? He doesn't call the plays. He coaches the defensive backs.
Because Nick Howell is the D coord.. FWIW I put " coach Howell and coach Mendenhall"
It really doesn't matter my point is the same.

We give up a season high in points and nobody is nit picking the defensive coaches. On the flip side the offense scores it's season high and we have multiple threads about either Anae being out coached or what Anae should have done different.
It is a little absurd isn't it.

In all honesty, this was a game that was won by all aspects of the team coming together and winning. If we had lost, you could point to serious errors by every part of the team as to why we lost. It was the ultimate team game where offense, defense, and special teams all did enough to win and lose the game.

Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:25 pm
by frdbtr
hawkwing wrote:
stuckinbig10country wrote:There has been one middle screen this year to Jamaal. It got 2 yards. They do run slants, but slants with an extra defender in the box might not be the best option, since most quick slants run right to where the defender is with 8 men in the box.
Exactly, the best thing to do would be to hit a RB on a quick out to the flats, but unfortunately that's the most disastrous play in our current repertoire. Only a wool-brained fool would want the BYU offense to run more of that.

I do agree that Hill takes too long in the pocket sometimes, but how much of that is actually play calling and how much of that is him waiting a touch too long to watch the play develop before he pulls the trigger.
I think it is a little of both. Both of which will improve with experience.

Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:29 pm
by stgeorgefan
hawkwing wrote:
stgeorgefan wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:
stgeorgefan wrote:
Why would anyone start a thread complaining about Howell? He doesn't call the plays. He coaches the defensive backs.
Because Nick Howell is the D coord.. FWIW I put " coach Howell and coach Mendenhall"
It really doesn't matter my point is the same.

We give up a season high in points and nobody is nit picking the defensive coaches. On the flip side the offense scores it's season high and we have multiple threads about either Anae being out coached or what Anae should have done different.
It is a little absurd isn't it.

In all honesty, this was a game that was won by all aspects of the team coming together and winning. If we had lost, you could point to serious errors by every part of the team as to why we lost. It was the ultimate team game where offense, defense, and special teams all did enough to win and lose the game.
Agreed, team game. Our D usually gives up around 17 points per game. Our Special teams usually doesn't give up a kickoff return. Taysom Hill(or any Byu QB)usually doesn't throw for over 400 yards and rush for over 100 yards. Our team usually doesn't get 14 penalties for over 100 yards. And yet after all of that said; the focus is on the 3rd and 4th quarter play calls(minus 2 scoring drives)
If I had never been to this site I would assume we either have a bunch ofarm chair offensive coordinators or a bunch of Robert Anae haters.(or both)

I like the progression of this offense. We looked lost vs Virginia and have changed week to week to get up to where we are now, a top 15 offensive team. All that with a very beat up inexperienced O-Line and a soph. QB. Outsiders would look at it and think Byu's offense was doing something right.

Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:32 pm
by jonnylingo
One thing is for sure. Taysom is getting more comfortable. the game is slowing down for him and he is making better reads. in my opinion nothing else has really changed that much. this team has slowly gotten better as taysom has gotten better. he is an amazing player. the line stunk and still does. the runningbacks were good and still are good. receivers have improved, but for the most part as taysom has gotten better the play calling has gotten better because Taysom can handle it.

One thing that has been very very encouraging for me as a fan is to see byu throwing the ball successfully on a such a regular basis the past four games or so. i am actually getting used to it again. it has been too long. i just can't imagine how good this team could be with a better offensive line.

Re: Watch the Houston game again and ask yourself...

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:02 pm
by frdbtr
I think the Oline has improved a ton as well. It just is still performing horribly which doesn't speak well for earlier in the year. We don't beat USU without much better Oline play than we saw in the ute game. I just hope they get much better before Wisconsin or we lose that one.