Is Riley a legend in the making?

[Cougarfan87]

My marks for a great season:
--Beat Utah
--Get Conference Championship (or if indy, get 10 wins)
--Win the bowl game.

If Riley beats Utah, gets us 10 wins in a very difficult schedule next year, and wins another bowl game, I don't know how you couldn't call that a great season.

IMO, that's just a solid QB. Beating Utah isn't legendary and neither is 10 wins or a bowl win.

Legendary would be running the table and winning our first BCS bowl.

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That's why I said great season for the BYU team, not legendary. To be legendary, you need that signature win--McMahon (SMU), Young (Missouri), Bosco (National Championship-playing hurt), Detmer (Miami).

Honorable mentions also include Sarkisian with Kansas State, Beck's throttling Oregon, and Hall's win against Oklahoma.

If Riley goes undefeated next year and beats a legit BCS team in a BCS bowl, not only will we have a great season (a BCS bowl assumes we beat Utah and get at least 10 wins--probably need 12), but Riley would likely slip into the status of legendary.

[byucougar1]

Getting to a BCS bowl as an independent is going to be difficult due to the big conference bias - just ask Boise State and K-State (for this year). Does not getting there - despite being undefeated or having one loss diminish Riley as a legend if we go 12-1 next year. The only one who won a NC was Detmer and yet we have McMahon, et. al. Listed as top tier legends - seems inconsistent.

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[Schmoe]

My marks for a great season:
--Beat Utah
--Get Conference Championship (or if indy, get 10 wins)
--Win the bowl game.

If Riley beats Utah, gets us 10 wins in a very difficult schedule next year, and wins another bowl game, I don't know how you couldn't call that a great season.

IMO, that's just a solid QB. Beating Utah isn't legendary and neither is 10 wins or a bowl win.

Legendary would be running the table and winning our first BCS bowl.

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That's why I said great season for the BYU team, not legendary. To be legendary, you need that signature win--McMahon (SMU), Young (Missouri), Bosco (National Championship-playing hurt), Detmer (Miami).

Honorable mentions also include Sarkisian with Kansas State, Beck's throttling Oregon, and Hall's win against Oklahoma.

If Riley goes undefeated next year and beats a legit BCS team in a BCS bowl, not only will we have a great season (a BCS bowl assumes we beat Utah and get at least 10 wins--probably need 12), but Riley would likely slip into the status of legendary.

Wait, so if Detmer hadn't had the Miami game, his legendary football skills wouldn't be the stuff of legend?

[Cougarfan87]

My marks for a great season:
--Beat Utah
--Get Conference Championship (or if indy, get 10 wins)
--Win the bowl game.

If Riley beats Utah, gets us 10 wins in a very difficult schedule next year, and wins another bowl game, I don't know how you couldn't call that a great season.

IMO, that's just a solid QB. Beating Utah isn't legendary and neither is 10 wins or a bowl win.

Legendary would be running the table and winning our first BCS bowl.

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That's why I said great season for the BYU team, not legendary. To be legendary, you need that signature win--McMahon (SMU), Young (Missouri), Bosco (National Championship-playing hurt), Detmer (Miami).

Honorable mentions also include Sarkisian with Kansas State, Beck's throttling Oregon, and Hall's win against Oklahoma.

If Riley goes undefeated next year and beats a legit BCS team in a BCS bowl, not only will we have a great season (a BCS bowl assumes we beat Utah and get at least 10 wins--probably need 12), but Riley would likely slip into the status of legendary.

Wait, so if Detmer hadn't had the Miami game, his legendary football skills wouldn't be the stuff of legend?

See my comments on the other thread, but probably not. Without Miami, he doesn't win the Heisman (that really put him on the map and discredited the huge stats vs. weak opponents argument), and what other games of his do we talk about?

I'm not saying one game makes you a legend, but you do have to have that one signature win that people talk about decades later. Otherwise you are just another one of those solid QBs BYU had, not legend.

[SpiffCoug]

Two other signature games of Detmer for me were the 1989 Holiday Bowl against Penn St where he 601 yards of total offense of which a career high 576 were passing. He was great in that game - although he did fumble late in the game that was returned for a TD - when BYU was driving for a game winning score.

And the 52-52 tie against SDSU where BYU was down 45-17 in the middle of the 3rd quarter.