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Gay Valedictorian
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:05 am
by Gunk
What I find most interesting about this story is the crowd cheering. That would not have happened when I went to BYU.
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/byu-matt ... 59266.html
At first thought, I am like, good for him. At second thought, I am like, why the need to make a big deal out of this and announce it on a stage? I knew several gay people at BYU.
Re: Gay Valedictorian
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:35 pm
by byufan4ever
I don't care what you do behind closed doors as long as you're not harming someone else. But when I go to a commencement speech I don't want to hear about your sexual preference. I would have stood up and booed. Not because he's gay and I hate gays, but because he's being selfish and using his stage and a captive audience that came to hear something else.
Re: Gay Valedictorian
Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 8:35 am
by ABYUFAN
His Ellen show appearance showed up on my Facebook feed, so I watched a little bit of it. This guy actually told Ellen that he was afraid at BYU because if he shook another man's hand that he might get kicked out of school. Really?!? Shook another man's hand? I understand that it's popular to celebrate one's gayness. But it is ironic that he was talking about "living a more authentic life" and being completely disingenuous in the very same breath.
Re: Gay Valedictorian
Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:08 am
by hawkwing
BYU approved his speech. They knew what was in there. There's no rule against being a homosexual at BYU. There is against homosexual dating, other than that all the rules of behavior are exactly the same as heterosexuals. It seems like now this young man is trying to get a few extra minutes out of his 15.
Re: Gay Valedictorian
Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:05 am
by byufan4ever
hawkwing wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 9:08 am
BYU approved his speech. They knew what was in there. There's no rule against being a homosexual at BYU. There is against homosexual dating, other than that all the rules of behavior are exactly the same as heterosexuals. It seems like now this young man is trying to get a few extra minutes out of his 15.
Did they know he was going to say that or did he go off topic? Again, that's not the place for that. Very selfish. Although I guess most valedictorian speeches are kind of beating the chest, aren't they? Look at me and my achievements! I went to my wife's graduation ceremony/speech, but did not go to mine for my B.S. or MBA. I don't even want to know what kind of "advice" they tried to give at Saint Louis University for my MBA graduation.
Re: Gay Valedictorian
Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:17 am
by hawkwing
byufan4ever wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 10:05 am
hawkwing wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 9:08 am
BYU approved his speech. They knew what was in there. There's no rule against being a homosexual at BYU. There is against homosexual dating, other than that all the rules of behavior are exactly the same as heterosexuals. It seems like now this young man is trying to get a few extra minutes out of his 15.
Did they know he was going to say that or did he go off topic? Again, that's not the place for that. Very selfish. Although I guess most valedictorian speeches are kind of beating the chest, aren't they? Look at me and my achievements! I went to my wife's graduation ceremony/speech, but did not go to mine for my B.S. or MBA. I don't even want to know what kind of "advice" they tried to give at Saint Louis University for my MBA graduation.
As far as I understand, his speech was delivered as written and was vetted by BYU in it's entirety before delivery.
Re: Gay Valedictorian
Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 2:27 pm
by BoiseBYU
hawkwing wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 10:17 am
byufan4ever wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 10:05 am
hawkwing wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 9:08 am
BYU approved his speech. They knew what was in there. There's no rule against being a homosexual at BYU. There is against homosexual dating, other than that all the rules of behavior are exactly the same as heterosexuals. It seems like now this young man is trying to get a few extra minutes out of his 15.
Did they know he was going to say that or did he go off topic? Again, that's not the place for that. Very selfish. Although I guess most valedictorian speeches are kind of beating the chest, aren't they? Look at me and my achievements! I went to my wife's graduation ceremony/speech, but did not go to mine for my B.S. or MBA. I don't even want to know what kind of "advice" they tried to give at Saint Louis University for my MBA graduation.
As far as I understand, his speech was delivered as written and was vetted by BYU in it's entirety before delivery.
That is my understanding as well. Given the context, history, and background, I think it fine he said what he did as the valedictorian.
Re: Gay Valedictorian
Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 12:02 am
by BroncoBot
ABYUFAN wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 8:35 am
His Ellen show appearance showed up on my Facebook feed, so I watched a little bit of it. This guy actually told Ellen that he was afraid at BYU because if he shook another man's hand that he might get kicked out of school. Really?!? Shook another man's hand? I understand that it's popular to celebrate one's gayness. But it is ironic that he was talking about "living a more authentic life" and being completely disingenuous in the very same breath.
Meh, he's just getting max mileage out of his 15 minutes.