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The future of BYU bball, by position

by hawkwing · 12/22/2010

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Brayden Green
Also, I hope to see some combination of Cusick/Martineau and Winder off of schollie soon, or at the end of the year.



Not necessarily all of them, but AT LEAST one or two.



You can't have 4 schollies tied up into one, non-interchangeable, position. That will kill our squad.
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beauso79
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Also, I hope to see some combination of Cusick/Martineau and Winder off of schollie soon, or at the end of the year.



Not necessarily all of them, but AT LEAST one or two.



You can't have 4 schollies tied up into one, non-interchangeable, position. That will kill our squad.


Why Winder?? He's got a lot of upside and is only a freshman and isn't Cusick a walk on anyways?? Martineau needs to go though
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Brayden Green
beauso79 wrote:
Also, I hope to see some combination of Cusick/Martineau and Winder off of schollie soon, or at the end of the year.



Not necessarily all of them, but AT LEAST one or two.



You can't have 4 schollies tied up into one, non-interchangeable, position. That will kill our squad.


Why Winder?? He's got a lot of upside and is only a freshman and isn't Cusick a walk on anyways?? Martineau needs to go though


I'm not singling out Winder. Dude is super quick, and I like him. Just saying, you can't have 4 schollies / positions dedicated to one non-interchangeable position and be successful. And if you have a lot of bodies at one spot, don't you want that to be at a position other than PG?



Rose is a good coach, and I'm sure he'll do the right thing.



Where I'm at now? I'd rather James Anderson stayed this year, than have Martineau. At least he's a big oafy guy that you can throw at defenses for a guaranteed 4 fouls down in the post.
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beauso79
BlueIsBetter wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Also, I hope to see some combination of Cusick/Martineau and Winder off of schollie soon, or at the end of the year.



Not necessarily all of them, but AT LEAST one or two.



You can't have 4 schollies tied up into one, non-interchangeable, position. That will kill our squad.


Why Winder?? He's got a lot of upside and is only a freshman and isn't Cusick a walk on anyways?? Martineau needs to go though


I'm not singling out Winder. Dude is super quick, and I like him. Just saying, you can't have 4 schollies / positions dedicated to one non-interchangeable position and be successful. And if you have a lot of bodies at one spot, don't you want that to be at a position other than PG?



Rose is a good coach, and I'm sure he'll do the right thing.



Where I'm at now? I'd rather James Anderson stayed this year, than have Martineau. At least he's a big oafy guy that you can throw at defenses for a guaranteed 4 fouls down in the post.


I agree about Anderson. I think Winder can also eventually play the 2 so at least he has another position to mix in. Too bad Loveridge went to Utah. We could definitely use him, especially next year. Maybe he'll see the light and realize Utah sucks and will continue to suck for a while. There were some Rumblings on Rumor Board that Loveridge was thinking of transferring to Utah State or BYU due to the state of Utah's basketball program. We can always hope
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SpiffCoug
BlueIsBetter wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Also, I hope to see some combination of Cusick/Martineau and Winder off of schollie soon, or at the end of the year.



Not necessarily all of them, but AT LEAST one or two.



You can't have 4 schollies tied up into one, non-interchangeable, position. That will kill our squad.


Why Winder?? He's got a lot of upside and is only a freshman and isn't Cusick a walk on anyways?? Martineau needs to go though


I'm not singling out Winder. Dude is super quick, and I like him. Just saying, you can't have 4 schollies / positions dedicated to one non-interchangeable position and be successful. And if you have a lot of bodies at one spot, don't you want that to be at a position other than PG?



Rose is a good coach, and I'm sure he'll do the right thing.



Where I'm at now? I'd rather James Anderson stayed this year, than have Martineau. At least he's a big oafy guy that you can throw at defenses for a guaranteed 4 fouls down in the post.

Anderson helped us win a few games last year (Arizona, SDSU at home) he contributed more in those 39 minutes than Martineau has in three-four years.
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Brayden Green
agreed.
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Mars


I like Cusick. But is he a Junior?
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craigoscarson
beauso79 wrote:
We could probably use a 3 and 4 from the JC ranks next year (2012-2013). Especially if Harrison goes on a mission and Sharp still sucks


Harrison's not going on a mission and Sharp does not suck; not one bit.

He's a freshman right off his mission but Sharp is going to be a fan favorite by the end of his career; he's the kind of effort garbage man that a team as talented as future BYU teams will be need.



When I went and saw BYU Kstate in the NCAA tourney, I also saw the 1st game (Northern Iowa - Kansas) and UNI had a 6'7" garbage man that made that team go and gave Kansas fits. That's Sharp for us. He does not suck....



This is the same thing I heard about Abouo and Hartsock (people literally called them garbage) when they were freshmen from others on this board (although Abouo hit the biggest shot of the season for BYU when he was a freshman... if not for Pac 10 refs, we'd still be all talking about it). It takes time for players to get enough confidence and skill to compete at the highest of levels in college basketball (this is where BYU is and has been for some time now) . Now we're seeing Hartsock playing like an all american and Abouo scares every guard in the country on the defensive end (ask Damian Lillard)
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beauso79
craigoscarson wrote:
We could probably use a 3 and 4 from the JC ranks next year (2012-2013). Especially if Harrison goes on a mission and Sharp still sucks


Harrison's not going on a mission and Sharp does not suck; not one bit.

He's a freshman right off his mission but Sharp is going to be a fan favorite by the end of his career; he's the kind of effort garbage man that a team as talented as future BYU teams will be need.



When I went and saw BYU Kstate in the NCAA tourney, I also saw the 1st game (Northern Iowa - Kansas) and UNI had a 6'7" garbage man that made that team go and gave Kansas fits. That's Sharp for us. He does not suck....



This is the same thing I heard about Abouo and Hartsock (people literally called them garbage) when they were freshmen from others on this board (although Abouo hit the biggest shot of the season for BYU when he was a freshman... if not for Pac 10 refs, we'd still be all talking about it). It takes time for players to get enough confidence and skill to compete at the highest of levels in college basketball (this is where BYU is and has been for some time now) . Now we're seeing Hartsock playing like an all american and Abouo scares every guard in the country on the defensive end (ask Damian Lillard)


But Noah scored a ton in high school against good competition. Was Sharp the same caliber player??



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Mars


Who will be getting more of Rogers' minutes now (knee surgery), Harrison or maybe Sharp?
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beauso79
Mars wrote:


Who will be getting more of Rogers' minutes now (knee surgery), Harrison or maybe Sharp?


Hopefully Harrison earns his minutes through improved play



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craigoscarson
beauso79 wrote:
beauso79 wrote:
We could probably use a 3 and 4 from the JC ranks next year (2012-2013). Especially if Harrison goes on a mission and Sharp still sucks


Harrison's not going on a mission and Sharp does not suck; not one bit.

He's a freshman right off his mission but Sharp is going to be a fan favorite by the end of his career; he's the kind of effort garbage man that a team as talented as future BYU teams will be need.



When I went and saw BYU Kstate in the NCAA tourney, I also saw the 1st game (Northern Iowa - Kansas) and UNI had a 6'7" garbage man that made that team go and gave Kansas fits. That's Sharp for us. He does not suck....



This is the same thing I heard about Abouo and Hartsock (people literally called them garbage) when they were freshmen from others on this board (although Abouo hit the biggest shot of the season for BYU when he was a freshman... if not for Pac 10 refs, we'd still be all talking about it). It takes time for players to get enough confidence and skill to compete at the highest of levels in college basketball (this is where BYU is and has been for some time now) . Now we're seeing Hartsock playing like an all american and Abouo scares every guard in the country on the defensive end (ask Damian Lillard)


But Noah scored a ton in high school against good competition. Was Sharp the same caliber player??



http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/tribpreps/52962883-190/girls-team-lone-peak.html.csp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;





The reason why Sharp ended up walking on at Utah, was that he was an unknown commodity. He played with 4 D1 players at Lone Peak (Haws, Austin, Hamilton, Funk). Sharp impressed the heck out of Utah and Boylen and reportedly was very close to pulling his redshirt premission. He was expected to be on scholarship when he got home but Crysko kind of screwed up the deal (if you're ever upset that we have sharp, just remember that we stole him from a team that desperately needed him and that we hate) Utah was very very upset.



Sharp is like Noah Hartsock in that he's an energy guy that is in the right place at the right time. Like Noahs 1st year, he's fresh off a mission, though unlike Noah, Josh comes to a team that is fairly set at the 4. (The starting 4 when Noah came in... JT)



I don't think Josh will be as polished as Noah by the time he's a senior, but he doesn't have to be. Noah is putting together a top 20 best season by a BYU Cougar and if we had any help from our guards, this would be a top 25 team. Josh will be a solid contributor in the future and I expect him to be quite the enforcer. He truly reminds me of an undersized Laimbeer, Rambis type. This will be a nice thing to have at the 4 as early as next season when we lose Noah. Josh is in better shape to get a lot of minutes than Damarcus or Anson, who will have to compete with Tyler Haws, Matt Carlino, Raul Delgado (new juco all america signee) and of course our 2 defensive liabilities in Cusick and Zylstra. Josh honestly doesn't have a ton of competition at the backup 4 spot, unless Rogers and Collinsworth get and stay healthy. It's basically him, especially if Coach Rose doesn't love having Brandon and Nate on the court at the same time (though because Nate can shoot outside, I expect that Nate will play some 4)
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Cougs_Rule
If Harward can improve and get in good shape, I think, I hope we see BRandon at the 4 and Nate at the 5, with Ian coming in as back up at the 5, and Rogers and CC coming in a back up at the 4.

I believe Sharp should compete for back up at the 3. He just doesn't seem to have the height or the girth for the four spot. And I'm not sure Demarcus has the height for the 3 spot. Besides Tyler will be there.



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SpiffCoug
I think we see Brandon at the 4 more next year as well.
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Stirfry
craigoscarson wrote:

But Noah scored a ton in high school against good competition. Was Sharp the same caliber player??



http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/tribpreps/52962883-190/girls-team-lone-peak.html.csp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;





The reason why Sharp ended up walking on at Utah, was that he was an unknown commodity. He played with 4 D1 players at Lone Peak (Haws, Austin, Hamilton, Funk). Sharp impressed the heck out of Utah and Boylen and reportedly was very close to pulling his redshirt premission. He was expected to be on scholarship when he got home but Crysko kind of screwed up the deal (if you're ever upset that we have sharp, just remember that we stole him from a team that desperately needed him and that we hate) Utah was very very upset.


+1. Anytime your upset that we have Sharp just go to the following link. The Utes basically lose everyone they have two years in a row without comment from the coaches but as soon as one goes to BYU its a conspiracy. :lol: :lol: :lol: I love it. (I'm also pretty sure this was within 1-2 weeks of Kwitt taking Dale Murphy's son away from us post mission.)



http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/31555/utah-player-transfers-to-byu-oh-boy



"It is my understanding that there is an unwritten rule that players cannot be recruited by other schools while they are serving missions. To do so is not only inappropriate, but it creates an atmosphere of ill will," Krystkowiak continued. "We hope that Josh returns to our team and wants to be part of what we are building here, but regardless of what happens, we remain strongly committed to recruiting the best players in the state of Utah."
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Mars
Mars wrote:
Who will be getting more of Rogers' minutes now (knee surgery), Harrison or maybe Sharp?

Rogers- GONE

Harrison- GONE



Sharp- I hope he's sharp this season!
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Cougest
Does anybody know if Mika is planning on serving a mission? I know that BYU announced he will play next year. The 2016-17 and 2017-18 teams are going to be really really good. Maybe take BYU farther than ever before. Add a Brekkot Chapman and the sky is the limit with those teams.
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Mars
Cougest wrote:
Does anybody know if Mika is planning on serving a mission?

Not that I know of.



Also, I'm not sure that Chapman would be a good fit at BYU.
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Cougest
Mars wrote:
Does anybody know if Mika is planning on serving a mission?

Not that I know of.



Also, I'm not sure that Chapman would be a good fit at BYU.




What makes you say that? If that were true why would Rose offer him a scholarship?
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