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Welcome to the WCC, BYU. . .

by akammerman · 12/30/2011

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craigoscarson
bigblahla wrote:
I'm excited to be in the WCC and don't want to leave. But the truth is, the WCC is a crappy little conference. The difference now, is that instead of a Big Two (SMC & Zags) there's going to be a Big Three (w/ BYU). The rest of the conference is ATROCIOUS.Take for instance Ken Pomeroy's rankings. St Mary's is 20th, BYU at 23 and Gonzaga at 26. The next WCC team is USF at 178 followed by Santa Clara at 179. Then Pepperdine at 207, Loyola at 209, Portland at 248, and San Diego at 272.

On ESPN's Insider RPI Daily rankings, Gonzaga is 15, St. Mary's 29 and BYU 49. The rest of the WCC is at 147 (USF), 151 (SC), 197 (Port), 201 (Pepp), 212 (LMU), and 283 (USD).

There's a HUGE gap between the top and even the middle of the conference.


Spiff,



When you get in those crappy little gyms all of a sudden 212 plays like 21 and 201 plays like 12 and you wonder how did these teams lose in the OOC, that's the WCC.



If Foster and Roquemore of SCU are both on against the Cougars you better have the offensive game of the season as you could see another 90+ put on you. I don't think you have the guard play to keep up with them.



LMU is always scary regardless of the record. Drew Viney can pretty much do whatever he wants on the court. Odds are you'll see the best of all WCC teams on their home court.



Yes, the Zebras are consistently bad, seems like the softest conference in the country.



Teams have to adjust to the calls because WCC officials do control games sometimes to a point of destroying the flow and continuity of the game.



All Zags are looking forward to payback in Provo.



Go!! Zags!!!




You'll find no payback in Provo. And unfortunately for you, we'll have back our 6'8" 6th man that would have been enough of a difference to beat Baylor... we're certainly not sweating a lesser team on our home court, particularly one we just handled last march on a neutral court.
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Mars
SpiffCoug wrote:
instead of a Big Two (SMC & Zags) there's going to be a Big Three (w/ BYU). The rest of the conference is ATROCIOUS. Take Ken Pomeroy's rankings. St Mary's is 20th, BYU at 23 and Gonzaga at 26. The next WCC team is USF at 178 followed by Santa Clara at 179. Then Pepperdine at 207, Loyola at 209, Portland at 248, and San Diego at 272. There's a HUGE gap between the top and even the middle of the conference.

RPI:

Big east #2 (Worst team, St. John's, #233)

Big XII #3 (Worst team, Texas A&M, #243)

MWC #5 (Worst team, Air Force, #185)

West coast #11 (Worst team, San Diego, #297)
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BroncoBot
bigblahla,



You obviously haven't followed MWC basketball. Can't blame you with their current TV contract though. Every team from Air force to Wyoming was able to defend their home court well. The general strategy in MWC was win all home games and hopefully beat some of the lesser teams on the road. Rarely did a team beat the top 3-4 teams on the road. This is not a new concept for BYU. And I DO think BYU will have an easier time winning the WCC year in and year out than the MWC. Not every year of course, but more than they did in MWC.
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SpiffCoug
Great win by our conference mate, Gonzaga yesterday. They won at Xavier - after they were back at full strength. If we're going to get an at-large bid, we may have to win at Gonzaga. Otherwise, I think we're going to need to win the WCC tourney.
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Cougs_Rule
If we take care of SMC at MC and everybody else and only lose to SMC and the Zags on the road, I think we get an at-large bid. There has to be some leftover MO from last year. Even if we get in as a 9-13 seed. Its early of course.
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Gunk
dmcougar wrote:
If we take care of SMC at MC and everybody else and only lose to SMC and the Zags on the road, I think we get an at-large bid. There has to be some leftover MO from last year. Even if we get in as a 9-13 seed. Its early of course.


Agree. Should we split SMC and the Zags I think we make it in, though we'll likely have to be in the finals of the WCC tournement.
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bigblahla
[quote="craigoscarson You'll find no payback in Provo. And unfortunately for you, we'll have back our 6'8" 6th man that would have been enough of a difference to beat Baylor... we're certainly not sweating a lesser team on our home court, particularly one we just handled last march on a neutral court.[/quote]



Lesser team, you mean height? Yeah you guys are probably taller than we are in inches. You should beat us in Provo it's your home court and you'll have 20,000+ in attendance however should and could do not equal will so.......... my question is how do you like your crow? With or without the feathers. Lesser team that's funny.



Go!! Zags!!!
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ABYUFAN
bigblahla wrote:
You'll find no payback in Provo. And unfortunately for you, we'll have back our 6'8" 6th man that would have been enough of a difference to beat Baylor... we're certainly not sweating a lesser team on our home court, particularly one we just handled last march on a neutral court.



Lesser team, you mean height? Yeah you guys are probably taller than we are in inches. You should beat us in Provo it's your home court and you'll have 20,000+ in attendance however should and could do not equal will so.......... my question is how do you like your crow? With or without the feathers. Lesser team that's funny.



Go!! Zags!!!

I could be wrong, but I think his "lesser team" was comparing Gonzaga to Baylor. As in, we almost beat the 6th ranked team on our court without Rogers... so with him back, we should be able to beat the 25th ranked team"
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Gunk
bigblahla wrote:
[quote="craigoscarson] You'll find no payback in Provo. And unfortunately for you, we'll have back our 6'8" 6th man that would have been enough of a difference to beat Baylor... we're certainly not sweating a lesser team on our home court, particularly one we just handled last march on a neutral court.


Lesser team, you mean height? Yeah you guys are probably taller than we are in inches. You should beat us in Provo it's your home court and you'll have 20,000+ in attendance however should and could do not equal will so.......... my question is how do you like your crow? With or without the feathers. Lesser team that's funny.



Go!! Zags!!![/quote][/quote]



You seriously think Gonzaga is that much better than BYU?



Sacre is averaging less than he did last season. Harris is only averaging one additional bucket more a game this season, both of which we handled last season.



Yes, we had Jimmer and Jackson last season, but down low we had Noah, Abouo, Anderson (left team & averaged 1 pt/game) and Magnusson (graduated and averaged 2 pts/game).



This time around, we'll have Noah, Abouo, Davies, and Austin. Both Davies and Austin are heads and shoulders above Anderson and Magnusson.



Also, I'd be a bit careful claiming complete superiority. Gonzaga currently ranks 68th in points/game, 73rd in rebounds/game, 116th in assists/game, and 98th in field goal percentage.



By comparison, BYU ranks 16th in pts/game, 19th in rebounds/game, 5th in assists/game, and 24th in field goal percentage. That's Top 25 in every major category.
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Mars


Gonzaga is 23rd in Sagarin's predictor rankings.



...Of course, BYU is 21st. (St. Mary's is 20th)



Oh, and the three are 19/20/21 in KenPom.
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Schmoe
bigblahla wrote:
No offense meant or intended just my opinion.



Surprised Zag fans? You just got schooled by SMC and have now had a chance to experience WCC officiating up close and personal.



Crappy defense lost the game for Zags or what defense? The Zags gave up 83 points. that's right 83 points in a non-overtime game.



Now that you may be coming back to earth from your over-inflated egos of pre-destined dominance some of you may realize your not in Kansas anymore or in your instance the old WCC.



Although the WCC is just a high school league to most of you, I think you will find that each and every team in the league takes pride in defending their home turf and any road victory will be well earned. That's why you just got beat by 21, yes 21, by your in-conference rival. That's more than BYU lost to them by.



Guess you just got reminded that if you don't bring it every time out well.... you might just lose by 21.



Hopefully some here can now appreciate exactly how amazing it is that GU has won or shared the conference title 11 years in a row and managed to lose this badly in conference. I'm sure most here thought that Gonzaga was a shoo-in to win it again. Some of the more delusional here may think last night was an aberration, it wasn't so get used to it as there are very few gimmes in the WCC.



It's conference time so no wishes of good luck in future games.



Go!! Cougs!!!


Made some slight alterations to this quote. I think it works quite nicely.
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Gunk
Schmoe wrote:
No offense meant or intended just my opinion.



Surprised Zag fans? You just got schooled by SMC and have now had a chance to experience WCC officiating up close and personal.



Crappy defense lost the game for Zags or what defense? The Zags gave up 83 points. that's right 83 points in a non-overtime game.



Now that you may be coming back to earth from your over-inflated egos of pre-destined dominance some of you may realize your not in Kansas anymore or in your instance the old WCC.



Although the WCC is just a high school league to most of you, I think you will find that each and every team in the league takes pride in defending their home turf and any road victory will be well earned. That's why you just got beat by 21, yes 21, by your in-conference rival. That's more than BYU lost to them by.



Guess you just got reminded that if you don't bring it every time out well.... you might just lose by 21.



Hopefully some here can now appreciate exactly how amazing it is that GU has won or shared the conference title 11 years in a row and managed to lose this badly in conference. I'm sure most here thought that Gonzaga was a shoo-in to win it again. Some of the more delusional here may think last night was an aberration, it wasn't so get used to it as there are very few gimmes in the WCC.



It's conference time so no wishes of good luck in future games.



Go!! Cougs!!!


Made some slight alterations to this quote. I think it works quite nicely.


LOL! Good one.



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BroncoBot
Schmoe wrote:
No offense meant or intended just my opinion.



Surprised Zag fans? You just got schooled by SMC and have now had a chance to experience WCC officiating up close and personal.



Crappy defense lost the game for Zags or what defense? The Zags gave up 83 points. that's right 83 points in a non-overtime game.



Now that you may be coming back to earth from your over-inflated egos of pre-destined dominance some of you may realize your not in Kansas anymore or in your instance the old WCC.



Although the WCC is just a high school league to most of you, I think you will find that each and every team in the league takes pride in defending their home turf and any road victory will be well earned. That's why you just got beat by 21, yes 21, by your in-conference rival. That's more than BYU lost to them by.



Guess you just got reminded that if you don't bring it every time out well.... you might just lose by 21.



Hopefully some here can now appreciate exactly how amazing it is that GU has won or shared the conference title 11 years in a row and managed to lose this badly in conference. I'm sure most here thought that Gonzaga was a shoo-in to win it again. Some of the more delusional here may think last night was an aberration, it wasn't so get used to it as there are very few gimmes in the WCC.



It's conference time so no wishes of good luck in future games.



Go!! Cougs!!!


Made some slight alterations to this quote. I think it works quite nicely.

CLASSIC!!!
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