Marriott Center Changes

SpiffCoug wrote:

The new "BYU" seats in LES are full of the lamest fans in the stadium (sorry if you're one of them). They never stand up or get loud, disappear at halftime to get their fancy lunch and don't start to appear again until mid-3rd quarter, and they're the first section to empty under any circumstances. Sure, they're paying nicely for those seats, but the team is definitely not better off with them come game-time. I'm worried about the same thing happening with these premium seats at the Marriott.

I certainly hope our team's performance is not tied to what fans are sitting where in the stadium. I hope our guys aren't waiting until the stadium fills up to really start playing.

As an ideal, the team should play exactly the same no matter what is going on in the crowd. But in practice, a huge section of empty seats and food-stuffing silent fans right next to the court in place of a giant section of rowdy students may make a difference. Yeah, the students aren't gone, they're somewhere else. But a good portion of them are now farther away from the court because the V-shaped, smaller end behind the basket that will naturally push them up toward the top of the bowl.



Maybe it won't make a difference at all. But I am worried that it might.

BroncoBot wrote:

Sammich wrote:
The new "BYU" seats in LES are full of the lamest fans in the stadium (sorry if you're one of them). They never stand up or get loud, disappear at halftime to get their fancy lunch and don't start to appear again until mid-3rd quarter, and they're the first section to empty under any circumstances. Sure, they're paying nicely for those seats, but the team is definitely not better off with them come game-time. I'm worried about the same thing happening with these premium seats at the Marriott.

I certainly hope our team's performance is not tied to what fans are sitting where in the stadium. I hope our guys aren't waiting until the stadium fills up to really start playing.

[sigh] Can't hurt. If what your hypothesizing is true, why do so many BYU fans complain about the crowd being late, not wearing blue, not knowing when to cheer, paying attention to their date or friends date or hair instead of the game, etc etc etc. That stuff does matter. To the team and the fans. I think it's called home-field-advantage.



We have a huge chunk of fans sitting from the 35-35 yard lines on the east side who for the most part buy those tickets for who knows why. The food? The ice cream? The social status? Often, based on their disposition, I wondered if they even cared who won the game. Oh well. At least those blue seats are "pretty".

After 35 to 40 years of watching BYU football, I think you stop treating every game like a "life or death" situation. It's something that you do, and you enjoy doing. I hope that when I get as old as some of those people I am still attending BYU football on a regular basis. I imagine I will evolve to having something of the same mindset as they do some day.



It's like, one day I just woke up driving in the middle or slow lane. I just didn't care about going fast anymore and dodging cops/tickets, etc. I think that is a natural evolution of sports, too. Eventually you care more about sharing time with the people you are with, then whether or not we come up with a "w" every single game. You watch those people, and they are the ones that shake hands after losses, talk with opposing fans, and generally have smiles on their faces after the games.



If I'm being truthful, I want to be one of those fans. I would very much like my weekend (or entire month) to not suck getting beat - or in some cases absolutely throttled - by one of our rivals.



I think that people enjoy sports on different levels, and each person gets to decide that. We have chosen a level, and they have chosen a different approach. I don't think either is wrong.



(I do think that those that don't wear blue should be stoned to death, though.) :P



AND SERIOUSLY, CAN WE GO BACK TO ROYAL BLUE!!! Aggie blue sucks, and it looks weak in a "blueout."

Royal blue looks weak as well. Royal blue doesn't pop.



BYU fans should wear WHITE!

BlueIsBetter wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:

The new "BYU" seats in LES are full of the lamest fans in the stadium (sorry if you're one of them). They never stand up or get loud, disappear at halftime to get their fancy lunch and don't start to appear again until mid-3rd quarter, and they're the first section to empty under any circumstances. Sure, they're paying nicely for those seats, but the team is definitely not better off with them come game-time. I'm worried about the same thing happening with these premium seats at the Marriott.

I certainly hope our team's performance is not tied to what fans are sitting where in the stadium. I hope our guys aren't waiting until the stadium fills up to really start playing.

[sigh] Can't hurt. If what your hypothesizing is true, why do so many BYU fans complain about the crowd being late, not wearing blue, not knowing when to cheer, paying attention to their date or friends date or hair instead of the game, etc etc etc. That stuff does matter. To the team and the fans. I think it's called home-field-advantage.



We have a huge chunk of fans sitting from the 35-35 yard lines on the east side who for the most part buy those tickets for who knows why. The food? The ice cream? The social status? Often, based on their disposition, I wondered if they even cared who won the game. Oh well. At least those blue seats are "pretty".

After 35 to 40 years of watching BYU football, I think you stop treating every game like a "life or death" situation. It's something that you do, and you enjoy doing. I hope that when I get as old as some of those people I am still attending BYU football on a regular basis. I imagine I will evolve to having something of the same mindset as they do some day.



It's like, one day I just woke up driving in the middle or slow lane. I just didn't care about going fast anymore and dodging cops/tickets, etc. I think that is a natural evolution of sports, too. Eventually you care more about sharing time with the people you are with, then whether or not we come up with a "w" every single game. You watch those people, and they are the ones that shake hands after losses, talk with opposing fans, and generally have smiles on their faces after the games.



If I'm being truthful, I want to be one of those fans. I would very much like my weekend (or entire month) to not suck getting beat - or in some cases absolutely throttled - by one of our rivals.



I think that people enjoy sports on different levels, and each person gets to decide that. We have chosen a level, and they have chosen a different approach. I don't think either is wrong.



(I do think that those that don't wear blue should be stoned to death, though.) :P



AND SERIOUSLY, CAN WE GO BACK TO ROYAL BLUE!!! Aggie blue sucks, and it looks weak in a "blueout."

that's fine and dandy and I don't care if those fans are laid back in their cheering for the Blue and White, but put them 20 rows up. It would make a world of difference if STUDENTS and those who did consider game day a life and death scenario filled rows 1-20 along the entire east sideline. Then we would have a legitimate "12th man" and those fans who are there just for fun could occupy rows 21-top and they would probably still leave with a smile on their face. I guarantee it would change the atmosphere of the games at LES.

Fans don't change the outcome of games. The more I watch the more I'm convinced of it. My defense didn't get that 3rd down stop the team desperately needed because I didn't cheer loud enough. The offense didn't score that touchdown because the fans were sufficiently quiet when the team was on offense.



Atmosphere is nice and makes for a better game experience for the fans, but it doesn't effect the outcome of the game.

You're not cheering hard enough then Spiff. You need to be in the 20+ rows zone. ;)



I think the crowd can definitely affect the outcome of the game, whether it's making enough noise to create false starts, force timeouts or giving the players a much needed shot of encouragement. Home crowds certainly CAN play into the outcome.



But you're right spiff, if everyone is shoving hot dogs and ice cream down their throats and socializing in the most influential area of the stadium instead of paying attention, the crowd probably doesn't matter much.

Yeah, how dare those 2,000 or so fans disrupt the balance of the other 50,000 in attendance. I mean, if they weren't giving tons of money to the program, and enjoying the game at their leisure, the game would be louder by AT LEAST one / one millionth of a percent louder.



LES gets plenty loud when there is something worth showing up and getting loud over. (42-7 routs of anyone junior college that we play in november at 9pm on thurs nights withstanding. Still worth showing up, maybe not much to be excited about though.)



If the Marriot got any louder it would literally be breaking sound regulations (I'm not sure it isn't doing it at it's current clip on a nightly basis).



I'm not sure the "crowds would be louder" argument has a leg to stand on.

BroncoBot wrote:

that's fine and dandy and I don't care if those fans are laid back in their cheering for the Blue and White, but put them 20 rows up. It would make a world of difference if STUDENTS and those who did consider game day a life and death scenario filled rows 1-20 along the entire east sideline. Then we would have a legitimate "12th man" and those fans who are there just for fun could occupy rows 21-top and they would probably still leave with a smile on their face. I guarantee it would change the atmosphere of the games at LES.

No, it wouldn't. (see above comment) And all those seats getting paid for with a $40 yearly sports pass would result in the end of the football program. BYU has no problem cutting programs that don't make money (where codes and regulations allow them to). Those tickets cost literally thousands of dollars on a yearly basis.



5,000 seats at a $1,500 loss a year ... would the students be $7.5 million dollars louder?

I affected a game once. I know I did.



I was sitting behind the end zone about 20 rows back. Close enough. BYU's offense was trying to move the ball towards me and stalled, forcing a punt. The entire stadium goes into "non-cheering" mode when everyone sits down and kinda sad the offense sputtered. teams on the field. Media time out. Everyone just standing around. It was Q U I E T.



the opposing kick returner made his way down the field and planted near the start of the end zone. He looked pretty lonely. In enemy territory. His other 10 teammates WAY further towards midfield. Dude was all by himself and of course we were in a media timeout so stadium was quiet, no one was moving or talking. So naturally I started yelling at him.



NUMBER 34!. I"M IN YOUR HEAD NUMBER 34. (People all around me started turning around to stare at the moron yelling. My voice carried further than I expected) ARE YOU SCARED? I THINK YOU HAVE ***BUTTERFINGERS***!!! CAREFUL WITH THIS PUNT! WOULDN"T WANT YOU TO **DROP** IT HERE IN FRONT OF ALL OF US!! I"M IN YOUR HEAD NUMBER 34. YOU CAN"T CATCH NOTHING!!! DON"T DROP THE BALL. NUMBER 34 WE"RE **ALL** WATCHING YOU!!!!...



you get the idea.



4th down and long. Ball is hiked to the kicker. It's high. It's deep. Right to number 34. And he SPILLS IT. Total fumble. I was close enough, and it was quiet enough. I KNOW he heard me. I got all kinds of people turning around with giant smiles on their faces after that. You bet durin the next kick I had plenty of helpers in my section yelling for number 34 to drop it again.



oh yeah. We did that.



It's been a few years, but he may have even fumbled another one. It was a great moment. and I did that. That's home field advantage for you.

CougarClaw wrote:
I affected a game once. I know I did.



I was sitting behind the end zone about 20 rows back. Close enough. BYU's offense was trying to move the ball towards me and stalled, forcing a punt. The entire stadium goes into "non-cheering" mode when everyone sits down and kinda sad the offense sputtered. teams on the field. Media time out. Everyone just standing around. It was Q U I E T.



the opposing kick returner made his way down the field and planted near the start of the end zone. He looked pretty lonely. In enemy territory. His other 10 teammates WAY further towards midfield. Dude was all by himself and of course we were in a media timeout so stadium was quiet, no one was moving or talking. So naturally I started yelling at him.



NUMBER 34!. I"M IN YOUR HEAD NUMBER 34. (People all around me started turning around to stare at the moron yelling. My voice carried further than I expected) ARE YOU SCARED? I THINK YOU HAVE ***BUTTERFINGERS***!!! CAREFUL WITH THIS PUNT! WOULDN"T WANT YOU TO **DROP** IT HERE IN FRONT OF ALL OF US!! I"M IN YOUR HEAD NUMBER 34. YOU CAN"T CATCH NOTHING!!! DON"T DROP THE BALL. NUMBER 34 WE"RE **ALL** WATCHING YOU!!!!...



you get the idea.



4th down and long. Ball is hiked to the kicker. It's high. It's deep. Right to number 34. And he SPILLS IT. Total fumble. I was close enough, and it was quiet enough. I KNOW he heard me. I got all kinds of people turning around with giant smiles on their faces after that. You bet durin the next kick I had plenty of helpers in my section yelling for number 34 to drop it again.



oh yeah. We did that.



It's been a few years, but he may have even fumbled another one. It was a great moment. and I did that. That's home field advantage for you.

That's awesome.



My only claim to fan was making a bunch of cheerleaders laugh...they held up a sign that said "Noise." So, I started yelled "Noise! Noise! Noise!" Got the folks around me to participate. Cheerleaders looked at us oddly, then at their sign and burst out laughing.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

No, it wouldn't. (see above comment) And all those seats getting paid for with a $40 yearly sports pass would result in the end of the football program. BYU has no problem cutting programs that don't make money (where codes and regulations allow them to). Those tickets cost literally thousands of dollars on a yearly basis.



5,000 seats at a $1,500 loss a year ... would the students be $7.5 million dollars louder?

$40? When was the last you bought an all-sports pass?

tmoney35 wrote:

No, it wouldn't. (see above comment) And all those seats getting paid for with a $40 yearly sports pass would result in the end of the football program. BYU has no problem cutting programs that don't make money (where codes and regulations allow them to). Those tickets cost literally thousands of dollars on a yearly basis.



5,000 seats at a $1,500 loss a year ... would the students be $7.5 million dollars louder?

$40? When was the last you bought an all-sports pass?

:whistle: I'm not telling :whistle: