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by cougsnspurs4life · 11/10/2009

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SpiffCoug
Mars wrote:
Munns returns in June. There is no way Munns comes in June and wins the job. He won't have a spring ball and will still be adjusting to life at home before coming to Provo.
I don't see why not, with no entrenched returning starter. 4 QBs, 0 starts at BYU.



I really don't see Bronco naming a starter coming out of spring ball. It wouldn't make sense. But that's just me.


Point 1, there may not be an entrenched starter, but there will be TWO QBs who will have a spring ball that Munns won't. One of whom will also have an entire season as the backup QB who saw substantial playing time for a backup.



In 2005, I went to probably 15 of the 20 spring practices (working for TBS at the time). I saw little difference between Beck and Berry. I was very surprised that Bronco came out and named Beck the starter. That's why I think he'll name a starter. I think it does make sense from the standpoint of letting a QB become the man, the team leader, etc.



I am really high on Munns. I remember watching him practice before the 2007 season. I thought he looked great. He was big, strong, mobile and more than sufficiently accurate. I think he would make a great QB at BYU. Unfortunately, I think his timing is going to hinder his ability to to so.
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Mars
kitic77 wrote:
there may not be an entrenched starter, but there will be TWO QBs who will have a spring ball that Munns won't. One of whom will also have an entire season as the backup QB who saw substantial playing time for a backup.
Substantial playing time, yes. Substantial THROWING time, NO! :whistle:



Maybe Munns should pull a Cummard? :P
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SpiffCoug
Mars wrote:
there may not be an entrenched starter, but there will be TWO QBs who will have a spring ball that Munns won't. One of whom will also have an entire season as the backup QB who saw substantial playing time for a backup.
Substantial playing time, yes. Substantial THROWING time, NO! :whistle:



Maybe Munns should pull a Cummard? :P

LOL! Good point. I would love to see Munns compete. I just wish he got back sooner. Makes me wonder why left so late. Didn't get his papers in on time? Too young?
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CougarClaw
kitic77 wrote:
kitic77 wrote:
there may not be an entrenched starter, but there will be TWO QBs who will have a spring ball that Munns won't. One of whom will also have an entire season as the backup QB who saw substantial playing time for a backup.
Substantial playing time, yes. Substantial THROWING time, NO! :whistle:



Maybe Munns should pull a Cummard? :P

LOL! Good point. I would love to see Munns compete. I just wish he got back sooner. Makes me wonder why left so late. Didn't get his papers in on time? Too young?


too wicked?...
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CAFB_04-12
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Lawboy
I am more concerned with what BYU will do with all the incoming talent on D than on O. Will they play or redshirt? I know Van Noy will play and a mission is not in his future, so he has 4 years. What about the other guys? I know Keoshian and Stout are not LDS, so no missions either. Bronco does not play freshman too often, so will he sit those guys then teeam them up in 2011 if they earn it? because it is the D side of the ball BYU needs to improve on. If they do, we become very good.
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SpiffCoug
Just going off the top of my head, but Bronco has played multiple freshman. McKay Jacobson, Harvey Unga, Matt Reynolds, Matangi Tonga, Romney Fuga, Ethan Manumaleuna, Iona Pritchard, Jan Jorgensen (may not have been a true freshman) and even Craig Bills this year. If a freshman can come in and show they can play, I think we'll see them on the field.
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Cougy_Monster
kitic77 wrote:
Just going off the top of my head, but Bronco has played multiple freshman. McKay Jacobson, Harvey Unga, Matt Reynolds, Matangi Tonga, Romney Fuga, Ethan Manumaleuna, Iona Pritchard, Jan Jorgensen (may not have been a true freshman) and even Craig Bills this year. If a freshman can come in and show they can play, I think we'll see them on the field.



Did Lavell ever play freshman? I can't really remember any impact freshman back in the day.



I love when a coach looks past all the barriers and puts the talent on the field.
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CAFB_04-12
Detmer played as a freshman, but I think that was out of necessity, not impact.
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Cougy_Monster
CAFB_04-12 wrote:
Detmer played as a freshman, but I think that was out of necessity, not impact.


Yeah, he took over for Sean Covey a couple times toward the end of the season and in the Freedom Bowl. But, what I wonder is whether Lavell could see Detmer's talent in fall camp but had Covey as the starter until the end of the season just because he was older. It seems like Bronco wouldn't shy away from starting Heaps as a true freshman if he really thought Heaps was the best, with the best work ethic (just stating a hypothetical...I don't know the QBs' work ethics).



I had some friends on the team back then and they all said that Lavell had a system of progression through the depth chart through the years so that freshmen or sophomores rarely started and sometimes not-so-talented seniors got all the playing time.



Granted, that was the opinion of underclassmen, so maybe that was just a skewed perspective.
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bball
If Nelson is the QB next year, I think what you get is a Steve Young kind of QB. Nelson can pass the ball, but he can also run. Most of the really good QBs today can also run (McCoy, Tebow, Lefevour), it just adds a dimension that is more difficult to defend.



I don't think Anae is saying he's going to throw out the playbook, but he may approach the game differently than today. BYU could become a run option team, or just a lot of QB draws and QB keeper plays. I think Anae would be crazy not to take advantage of Nelson's legs.
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BroncoBot
bball wrote:
If Nelson is the QB next year, I think what you get is a Steve Young kind of QB. Nelson can pass the ball, but he can also run. Most of the really good QBs today can also run (McCoy, Tebow, Lefevour), it just adds a dimension that is more difficult to defend.



I don't think Anae is saying he's going to throw out the playbook, but he may approach the game differently than today. BYU could become a run option team, or just a lot of QB draws and QB keeper plays. I think Anae would be crazy not to take advantage of Nelson's legs.

I've got to add Hall to that list. When he wants to go, he does a pretty good job.
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Schmoe
bball wrote:
If Nelson is the QB next year, I think what you get is a Steve Young kind of QB. Nelson can pass the ball, but he can also run. Most of the really good QBs today can also run (McCoy, Tebow, Lefevour), it just adds a dimension that is more difficult to defend.



I don't think Anae is saying he's going to throw out the playbook, but he may approach the game differently than today. BYU could become a run option team, or just a lot of QB draws and QB keeper plays. I think Anae would be crazy not to take advantage of Nelson's legs.


I think we might continue to see a lot of single back spread formations that really stretch the defense where Nelson will have the chance to pass for a big play or take off on foot and pick up decent yardage.
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Mars
Lawboy wrote:
I am more concerned with what BYU will do with all the incoming talent on D than on O. Will they play or redshirt? I know [LB] Van Noy will play and a mission is not in his future, so he has 4 years. What about the other guys? I know [MLB] Keoshian and Stout are not LDS, so no missions either...

The DB from MA, Jordan Johnson, is not LDS.

DE Tayo Fabuluje has no mission plans.

RB/WR Drew Phillips is not LDS.

QB Jake Heaps has no mission plans, and is Doman's hand-picked guy (unlike Nelson and Lark).



And of course, RB Brandon Bourbon isn't LDS. Sigh.
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