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by Mars · 11/11/2009

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Mars


Would you agree to swap BYU's score against Oklahoma if you could then swap BYU's score against Florida State?



I'm pretty divided mentally over this question. That's why I'm asking it "out loud" to you guys...
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Schmoe
I would with one stipulation: Bradford stays healthy. That way Oklahoma does much better and lifts our SOS, we still get respected for playing them super tight, and get good respect from blowing out FSU.
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SpiffCoug
So would I trade a 1-point loss to the #3 team for a blowout home win against an ACC team? Given how this year has gone, probably. But mainly because I attended the FSU game. I'd much rather now witness a home defeat in person.
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cachevalleycougar
I agree with Schmoe - if OU went on to win 10 or 11 games and end in the Top10, then yes. Otherwise, no, because we can always point to beating a #3 OU team in Dallas.
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Mars
cachevalleycougar wrote:
I agree with Schmoe - if OU went on to win 10 or 11 games and end in the Top10, then yes. Otherwise, no, because we can always point to beating a #3 OU team in Dallas.

I agree with this. As "bad" as OU is now, they were still technically #3 then.
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ABYUFAN
I agree that this is a hard question. At first blush a beat down of a mediocre team at home is better than a one point win over a mediocre team on the road. But OU was number 3,a nd we can point to that game and say that we could wina a big game. Also, we get FSU next year on the road right? That would be a sweet win! :crazy:
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blue42
cachevalleycougar wrote:
I agree with Schmoe - if OU went on to win 10 or 11 games and end in the Top10, then yes. Otherwise, no, because we can always point to beating a #3 OU team in Dallas.


This is what really frustrates me as a BYU fan. Why is it whenever BYU beats a highly ranked team at the beginning of the year that team always ends up sucking and all the BYU naysayers still don't give the Y any credit for beating a legitimate team?
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CAFB_04-12
Versus OU Bradford was 100%. They were only missing what's-his-name. Jermaine Gresham. They were not the same team that lost to Nebraska last week.
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gmj81
I truly believe that if Bradford hadn't gone down, OU would still have gone to a BCS bowl game this year. It certainly wouldn't have been the title game and they likely still would have lost to Texas but they probably wouldn't lost to any other teams but BYU and UT.



That is why BYU's losses are so frustrating. It isn't just that we lost to FSU and TCU, it was the way we lost to those teams... at home... after the way we beat OU to start the season. We saw the potential of this team and they didn't play anywhere near the same fire and intensity as I saw in that OU game.



So, my response is that I would rather have lost to OU, a team that though I believed we were capable of competing with (evidenced by the fact we won), I didn't expect to beat, than lose to a team in FSU (talented albeit bipolar and poorly coached) on our homefield by the margin we lost by. Thing is, I don't think the FSU game plan was all that impressive. So being so completely outcoached by a unimpressive opponent is pretty embarassing. TCU was another thing altogether. Their win was impressive even though I don't think it should have been by as much. I don't hesitate to say they were the better team this year and frankly I don't see anybody beating them, not even the mighty Gators, Tide or Longhorns.
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jonnylingo
Mars wrote:


Would you agree to swap BYU's score against Oklahoma if you could then swap BYU's score against Florida State?



I'm pretty divided mentally over this question. That's why I'm asking it "out loud" to you guys...


no unless you threw in swapping tcu's score as well. Then I would take it.
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jonnylingo
gmj81 wrote:
I truly believe that if Bradford hadn't gone down, OU would still have gone to a BCS bowl game this year. It certainly wouldn't have been the title game and they likely still would have lost to Texas but they probably wouldn't lost to any other teams but BYU and UT.



That is why BYU's losses are so frustrating. It isn't just that we lost to FSU and TCU, it was the way we lost to those teams... at home... after the way we beat OU to start the season. We saw the potential of this team and they didn't play anywhere near the same fire and intensity as I saw in that OU game.



So, my response is that I would rather have lost to OU, a team that though I believed we were capable of competing with (evidenced by the fact we won), I didn't expect to beat, than lose to a team in FSU (talented albeit bipolar and poorly coached) on our homefield by the margin we lost by. Thing is, I don't think the FSU game plan was all that impressive. So being so completely outcoached by a unimpressive opponent is pretty embarassing. TCU was another thing altogether. Their win was impressive even though I don't think it should have been by as much. I don't hesitate to say they were the better team this year and frankly I don't see anybody beating them, not even the mighty Gators, Tide or Longhorns.


I bet they would have beat texas had bradford not gone down.
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jonnylingo
OU just lost three more starters as well. One of them their team captain. This year is over for them.
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mormonrasta
Mars wrote:


Would you agree to swap BYU's score against Oklahoma if you could then swap BYU's score against Florida State?



No.



The Oklahoma game was on ESPN lots of people watched it. The FSU game was on Versus. Nobody watched it.



If BYU has to lose, I'd rather have as few of people see that loss as possible. Conversely, when they win, I want as many eyeballs to see it as possible.
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Schmoe
How about this: I would swap the FSU score if we could then swap the score against TCU ;)
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BroncoBot
blue42 wrote:
I agree with Schmoe - if OU went on to win 10 or 11 games and end in the Top10, then yes. Otherwise, no, because we can always point to beating a #3 OU team in Dallas.


This is what really frustrates me as a BYU fan. Why is it whenever BYU beats a highly ranked team at the beginning of the year that team always ends up sucking and all the BYU naysayers still don't give the Y any credit for beating a legitimate team?


I think we all have to admit, at this point OU has looked nothing like the #3 team. I know that's what they were ranked at the time, but rankings before you play a single down don't mean squat.



BYU was one point better than a 1/2 game with Bradford, OU squad. BYU really only beat a team that should have MAYBE been ranked 20-25. But it's always fun to think that BYU really did beat the #3.
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ABYUFAN
declocoug wrote:
cachevalleycougar wrote:
I agree with Schmoe - if OU went on to win 10 or 11 games and end in the Top10, then yes. Otherwise, no, because we can always point to beating a #3 OU team in Dallas.


This is what really frustrates me as a BYU fan. Why is it whenever BYU beats a highly ranked team at the beginning of the year that team always ends up sucking and all the BYU naysayers still don't give the Y any credit for beating a legitimate team?


I think we all have to admit, at this point OU has looked nothing like the #3 team. I know that's what they were ranked at the time, but rankings before you play a single down don't mean squat.



BYU was one point better than a 1/2 game with Bradford, OU squad. BYU really only beat a team that should have MAYBE been ranked 20-25. But it's always fun to think that BYU really did beat the #3.


Teams ranked #3 to start the season should not play BYU, because they are assured of having a bad season...
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newcomerorangewhite
I would swap the OU game.
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jonnylingo
Schmoe wrote:
How about this: I would swap the FSU score if we could then swap the score against TCU ;)


Great minds must think alike.
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