BYU vs Utah

Carlino shot .500 (5 of 10)from 3. The rest of the team shot .125 (2! of 16!) from 3-point range.

BerliNY wrote:
Carlino shot .500 (5 of 10)from 3. The rest of the team shot .125 (2! of 16!) from 3-point range.

Carlino was the difference between an embarrasing loss and the win we got.

frdbtr wrote:

Carlino shot .500 (5 of 10)from 3. The rest of the team shot .125 (2! of 16!) from 3-point range.

Carlino was the difference between an embarrasing loss and the win we got.

Word. But I can't decide if we were just playing poorly or if we were playing poorly because of the U's defense. Utah is much much better than they were last year, and anything goes in a rivalry game. Crisco definitely had this game circled on the calendar and his players were going all out with the physicality, but even so, I couldn't believe how cold we were shooting. Overall we shot 31% but that number drops to 25% (!) when you take out Carlino's numbers. In that light Haws' shooting 20% (!!) doesn't look that bad.



Crazy game. Glad it's over. Glad we got the W, we didn't deserve it tonight.

BerliNY wrote:

BerliNY wrote:
Carlino shot .500 (5 of 10)from 3. The rest of the team shot .125 (2! of 16!) from 3-point range.

Carlino was the difference between an embarrasing loss and the win we got.

Word. But I can't decide if we were just playing poorly or if we were playing poorly because of the U's defense. Utah is much much better than they were last year, and anything goes in a rivalry game. Crisco definitely had this game circled on the calendar and his players were going all out with the physicality, but even so, I couldn't believe how cold we were shooting. Overall we shot 31% but that number drops to 25% (!) when you take out Carlino's numbers. In that light Haws' shooting 20% (!!) doesn't look that bad.



Crazy game. Glad it's over. Glad we got the W, we didn't deserve it tonight.

Haws struggles were a direct result of utah's defense. They designed a defense specifically to take him out of the game and it worked. Everyone else doesn't have an excuse. Zylstra missed all his shots and all of them were wide open. Other shooters missed wide open shots. BYU needed to hit thier wide open shots and Carlino was the only one who did.

frdbtr wrote:



Haws struggles were a direct result of utah's defense. They designed a defense specifically to take him out of the game and it worked. Everyone else doesn't have an excuse. Zylstra missed all his shots and all of them were wide open. Other shooters missed wide open shots. BYU needed to hit thier wide open shots and Carlino was the only one who did.

Dave Rose was outcoached tonight. He was lucky to come away with a win.

BroncoBot wrote:

Haws struggles were a direct result of utah's defense. They designed a defense specifically to take him out of the game and it worked. Everyone else doesn't have an excuse. Zylstra missed all his shots and all of them were wide open. Other shooters missed wide open shots. BYU needed to hit thier wide open shots and Carlino was the only one who did.

Dave Rose was outcoached tonight. He was lucky to come away with a win.

Very true. And, as is the case many times with Rose, he was a bit slow making adjustments.



Rose needs to tweak his starting lineup again. Should be:



1 - Carlino

2 - Winder

3 - Haws

4 - Sharp

5 - Davies



Our current lineup is only two dimensional. Stick a man tight on Haws and double up on Davies and you've got BYU.



Cusick is not a threat whatsoever and will never "go off." Zylstra is as streaky as they come and gets abused on defense. Sharp is hustle rebound guy; again, not someone that's going to "go off" on you for 15 points.



Carlino has the potential. You have to worry about Carlino if you're the opposing coach. The offense also moves much, much better with Carlino. We're not a half-court set team. This team is not built to play half-court ball and Cusick is a half court, walk the ball up the court and pass it off at the three-point line conservative PG. Only shot we have to go anywhere this season is to run, run and run some more.



Winder brings defense and speed to the court. Great chemistry between Carlino and Winder too. We get stops with Winder in. Let 'em run, Rose. Let 'em run.

Gunk wrote:

frdbtr wrote:



Haws struggles were a direct result of utah's defense. They designed a defense specifically to take him out of the game and it worked. Everyone else doesn't have an excuse. Zylstra missed all his shots and all of them were wide open. Other shooters missed wide open shots. BYU needed to hit thier wide open shots and Carlino was the only one who did.

Dave Rose was outcoached tonight. He was lucky to come away with a win.

Very true. And, as is the case many times with Rose, he was a bit slow making adjustments.



Rose needs to tweak his starting lineup again. Should be:



1 - Carlino

2 - Winder

3 - Haws

4 - Sharp

5 - Davies



Our current lineup is only two dimensional. Stick a man tight on Haws and double up on Davies and you've got BYU.



Cusick is not a threat whatsoever and will never "go off." Zylstra is as streaky as they come and gets abused on defense. Sharp is hustle rebound guy; again, not someone that's going to "go off" on you for 15 points.



Carlino has the potential. You have to worry about Carlino if you're the opposing coach. The offense also moves much, much better with Carlino. We're not a half-court set team. This team is not built to play half-court ball and Cusick is a half court, walk the ball up the court and pass it off at the three-point line conservative PG. Only shot we have to go anywhere this season is to run, run and run some more.



Winder brings defense and speed to the court. Great chemistry between Carlino and Winder too. We get stops with Winder in. Let 'em run, Rose. Let 'em run.

AGreed. Having Winder back is going to help. He's got the fastest first step on the team, hope his conditioning is up to par. Anyone know what the problem with Winder's ankle was?

Ross was not our coached in this game - maybe first half but not second half. They went to a zone second half and had Winder on the wing which took away the dribble drive penetration and kick out for 3. Also had Haws driving to the basket more than spot up shooting which resulted in him going to the line more often once they got to shoot 1-1 with 13 minutes to play.



Sad thing is we are still exposed to poor adjustment on the wing without Winder. Our 3-point shooting sucks and we should not setttle for this but go for higher percentage 10-15 foot shots. Step out for 3's when we are feeling it. Davies, Sharp, Zylstra, Haws got knocked out of their game with physical play of Utes. They were frustrated and intimidated in first half. Utes used same approach that ISU did. Second half they responded with intensity, and came out with trapping - aggressive D, out rebounded Yewts, and had 10 steals for the game. If we put together 4 quarters of this type of intensity we will do well. Good D, tough stops, rebounding feed our transition game as does working the ball inside out. We will get killed if we continue to shoot 3's when we are off and then don't play aggressive D. We can thank the Utes for showing us how to win challenging games yet play ugly.



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frdbtr wrote:

Carlino shot .500 (5 of 10)from 3. The rest of the team shot .125 (2! of 16!) from 3-point range.

Carlino was the difference between an embarrasing loss and the win we got.

+1. Carlino showed up & pulled this one out. Big time.

This is not a very talented team. Pure and Simple. It is not without talent - just not enough talent.



Compare and Contrast Vs our Team two years ago



Jimmer > any of our current PG by far

Emery > any of our 2s by far and > any defender

Davies roughly the same - maybe slightly better now

Hartsock > anyone we have right now at 4

Ok Haws is as good or better than that team



Net - We are



clearly worse at 3 spots

About the same at one spot

Better at 1 spot



We probably had a better assistant coach back then - Dave Rice



The Utes - awful as they used to be - came in 7-2 with momentum vs BYU at 6-3 and lacking momentum



Why is everyone so shocked that U made a game out of it?



On the road - or neutral - U probably beats us.



They are dramatically improved - we are down



Apologists aside - BYU basketball is trending down - not up



I know - wait till next year when Timpview guys arrive - wait - missions ?



Jabari - save us - we cannot deal with disappointment!



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byucougar1 wrote:
Ross was not our coached in this game - maybe first half but not second half. They went to a zone second half and had Winder on the wing which took away the dribble drive penetration and kick out for 3. Also had Haws driving to the basket more than spot up shooting which resulted in him going to the line more often once they got to shoot 1-1 with 13 minutes to play.



Sad thing is we are still exposed to poor adjustment on the wing without Winder. Our 3-point shooting sucks and we should not setttle for this but go for higher percentage 10-15 foot shots. Step out for 3's when we are feeling it. Davies, Sharp, Zylstra, Haws got knocked out of their game with physical play of Utes. They were frustrated and intimidated in first half. Utes used same approach that ISU did. Second half they responded with intensity, and came out with trapping - aggressive D, out rebounded Yewts, and had 10 steals for the game. If we put together 4 quarters of this type of intensity we will do well. Good D, tough stops, rebounding feed our transition game as does working the ball inside out. We will get killed if we continue to shoot 3's when we are off and then don't play aggressive D. We can thank the Utes for showing us how to win challenging games yet play ugly.



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My thoughts exactly. Utes came with a good game plan though! A different coach with a different system and we lose that game.

BroncoBot wrote:
Ugh. did we really foul a 3point shot deep in the shot clock? come on Carlino.

Wasn't Carlino, it was sharp.



I love how he is being for things when on the other side of the court, now.

Double post

Gunk wrote:

frdbtr wrote:



Haws struggles were a direct result of utah's defense. They designed a defense specifically to take him out of the game and it worked. Everyone else doesn't have an excuse. Zylstra missed all his shots and all of them were wide open. Other shooters missed wide open shots. BYU needed to hit thier wide open shots and Carlino was the only one who did.

Dave Rose was outcoached tonight. He was lucky to come away with a win.

Very true. And, as is the case many times with Rose, he was a bit slow making adjustments.



Rose needs to tweak his starting lineup again. Should be:



1 - Carlino

2 - Winder

3 - Haws

4 - Sharp

5 - Davies



Our current lineup is only two dimensional. Stick a man tight on Haws and double up on Davies and you've got BYU.



Cusick is not a threat whatsoever and will never "go off." Zylstra is as streaky as they come and gets abused on defense. Sharp is hustle rebound guy; again, not someone that's going to "go off" on you for 15 points.



Carlino has the potential. You have to worry about Carlino if you're the opposing coach. The offense also moves much, much better with Carlino. We're not a half-court set team. This team is not built to play half-court ball and Cusick is a half court, walk the ball up the court and pass it off at the three-point line conservative PG. Only shot we have to go anywhere this season is to run, run and run some more.



Winder brings defense and speed to the court. Great chemistry between Carlino and Winder too. We get stops with Winder in. Let 'em run, Rose. Let 'em run.

Spot on. Except I don't think rose got out coached. He relied too much on his seniors though. He made adjustments, and that is where byu should be from now on. It is no surprise or coincedince that Utah started missing 3s when winder and Carlino where out there instead of Cusick and Zylstra.



I don't see why we don't play our 2 best defenders (Carlino and winder) on the court at the same time as a starting unit.



Cusick is bleh as a pg, and not good defense. Zylstra should be a scoring threat off the bench, not a starter.

Not sure about Carlino. He seems to do better coming off the bench. Or he is just starting to get more in control of his play. Glad he was hot at 5-10 on threes, but will he now go into a long slump again?

Winder does need to see more time, especially against larger guards.

Love the defensive confidence and energy Winder brings to the floor. Winder still needs to be incorporated into the offense somehow and needs to HIT his open 3's. He had trouble hitting his open 3's last year too. I think he just needs playing time to build his confidence offensively. He and Carlino seemed to play well together and feed off each others energy. Let Zylstra back up Haws and be done with it

The time sitting on the bench has done wonders for Carlino's game and attitude. I hope he continues to improve and become the guard he thought he would be.

hawkwing wrote:
The time sitting on the bench has done wonders for Carlino's game and attitude. I hope he continues to improve and become the guard he thought he would be.

Agreed. And I like Cusick and Carlino together. Opens up Cusick for open set shots, which he does a good job of hitting.

Our current guards (Cusick and Carlino) struggle to play man-to-man D as they get beat easily off the dribble against quick, nimble guards. UT ate their lunch in the first half with either feeds to low post or kick outs for three. When they play a trapping, aggressive zone D, with proper transition they can get stops. Last year we had Winder and Harrison to fill that role. Now that Winder is back, hopefully others pick up that energy. That was the key last night in 2nd half, we got stops, rebounds and steals, started transition and slicing to hole, which opened up outside shots and layups. Need to focus in this against USU and be prepared to deal with physicality as we are perceived as being weak when bullied.



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