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Alma 14:11

by SpiffCoug · 12/15/2012

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Ddawg wrote:
Ddawg wrote:
The school children of Sandy Hook Elementary returned to school today. Guess what they had there to ensure their safety and reassure parents? A strong Police presence - armed.

Am I the only one who feels less safe with armed guards around? Maybe just some of my experiences in Ukraine.


I feel less safe when I am around armed folks south of the U.S./Mexican border (Policia, Federales, even military). Because of corruption and no respect for the law. Very subjective. It's very dicey down there. That's why I don't go to Mexico anymore.



In the USA or Canada I feel just fine around Police, Troopers, Military, etc.



"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

This quote by Jefferson is the real reason I'm so adamant that the government not place ANY restrictions on gun control. And probably why states need to start putting together militias again. I'm "crazy". I know.



I'll add to it this quote by Washington:



”A free people ought to be armed.”

and

”From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good”
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Ddawg
hawkwing wrote:
Cops in Ogden Utah have 'no knock warrant raided' the wrong house several times over the last year.


True - mistakes happen. Sometimes they act on bad info. from informants, sometimes it's over-zealous cops, and sometimes (rarely) they are just bad cops.



The deciding factor about the bad raid in Ogden is - were people falsely arrested, and kept in jail for months, while Police officials called their family and demanded a big chunk 'o cash, or their family member would be killed. That's the stuff that happens south of here.
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Ddawg wrote:
Cops in Ogden Utah have 'no knock warrant raided' the wrong house several times over the last year.


True - mistakes happen. Sometimes they act on bad info. from informants, sometimes it's over-zealous cops, and sometimes (rarely) they are just bad cops.



The deciding factor about the bad raid in Ogden is - were people falsely arrested, and kept in jail for months, while Police officials called their family and demanded a big chunk 'o cash, or their family member would be killed. That's the stuff that happens south of here.


That's true, we aren't Mexico yet.
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Schmoe
hawkwing wrote:
hawkwing wrote:
Cops in Ogden Utah have 'no knock warrant raided' the wrong house several times over the last year.


True - mistakes happen. Sometimes they act on bad info. from informants, sometimes it's over-zealous cops, and sometimes (rarely) they are just bad cops.



The deciding factor about the bad raid in Ogden is - were people falsely arrested, and kept in jail for months, while Police officials called their family and demanded a big chunk 'o cash, or their family member would be killed. That's the stuff that happens south of here.


That's true, we aren't Mexico yet.


Ogden's pretty close though.
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Ddawg
hawkwing wrote:
hawkwing wrote:
Cops in Ogden Utah have 'no knock warrant raided' the wrong house several times over the last year.


True - mistakes happen. Sometimes they act on bad info. from informants, sometimes it's over-zealous cops, and sometimes (rarely) they are just bad cops.



The deciding factor about the bad raid in Ogden is - were people falsely arrested, and kept in jail for months, while Police officials called their family and demanded a big chunk 'o cash, or their family member would be killed. That's the stuff that happens south of here.


That's true, we aren't Mexico yet.


Ha ha ha!! True, but here in So. Cal. we're getting pretty close. :lol: To make things a little simpler, I'll just refer to this place as Baja Calif. ;)
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Cougarfan87
It is interesting how many people have mentioned Senator Feinstein. I heard on some talk show that she was one of only five people in San Francisco that is approved for--a concealed carry permit. So, its OK if she carries a gun--just not anyone else.



As far as reasonable regulations on the second amendment, I agree. "Arms" has a broad definition. We can certainly limit people from carrying around grenades, RPGs, AT-4s, Stinger missiles, etc. and I think most would agree that those limitations are a good thing. However, I think the line needs to be drawn such that no laws would deprive the citizenry of having a reasonable chance of defending itself against a tyrannical government. Having such an armed citizenry has actually helped other countries.



For example, Hitler purposely went around Switzerland while conquering Europe, not because Switzerland was neutral, but because every homeowner was required to have a firearm. They have mandatory military service, so in essence, you would have to kill every last citizen to conquer the country. For that reason, Hitler avoided what he called the "porcupine" and moved on to other less armed countries.



During the same World War, an Admiral in the Japanese Navy said they had no intention of ever invading the U.S.A. "because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Just think of Red Dawn multiplied by a million.



While the decision whether to keep and bear arms is a personal one, there is no doubt that it does have a deterrent effect on tyranny.



The best advice I can give is to follow the counsel of the bretheren--namely, get out of debt, have a year supply of long term food, and a three month supply of food you normally eat. Make friends with your neighbors. Stand in holy places. If a breakdown in social order takes place, follow the counsel of the bretheren, and realize that God is at the helm and His eternal purposes will not be frustrated.



On a similar note, let me add some of my own advice--that when we have food storage, it is not to hoard for ourselves. I could not in good conscience watch my neighbors starve to death while I hoarded food. There are worse things than losing your life--such as losing your soul. When Brigham Young left Nauvoo, he gave away all he had to help as many people flee Nauvoo as he could. I am sure that if we help our neighbors, we will reap blessings. Perhaps that year supply was meant to help four families for three months, rather than one family for a year. Judgment and Charity must dictate. That being said, I have no qualms about defending my food supply from roving bands who would try and take it from me and leave my family to starve.



Finally, I am against ever registering any of my guns. It does not prevent crime. While it does help police solve crimes at times, it does one more thing which I am totally opposed to, though I do not consider myself a conspiracy theorist. It tells the government exactly who has guns and where to go to round them up. Mine are off the books, and I would rather leave it that way--not because I plan on committing crimes. While I do not believe our current government officials would try to round up arms--too big of a fight right now even if they wanted to--who knows what the future may hold. If registering all weapons becomes law, I will probably be disobedient to that law, because registration has always been the first step to confiscation in every country banning firearms.
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Ddawg
Cougarfan - that is a thoughtful, well written post. Thanks for the time and effort. A good read. I agree with your thoughts and sentiments. +1.
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SpiffCoug
I'm stocking up on smokes and booze - otherwise known as the currency when everything collapses.
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Ddawg
SpiffCoug wrote:
I'm stocking up on smokes and booze - otherwise known as the currency when everything collapses.


I never thought of that. Bottles of whiskey could go a long way in a bartering deal. The folks that drink gotta have it. Hmmmm .... you gave me some food for thought.
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