Mark Levin & Gallup - 2nd Amendment

cornhole153 wrote:

So if we stage a revolution we'd make the movement mainstream again?

If most of the most civilized countries were in various stages of revolution, then yes, we'd be living in a time of revolution. Sure.



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Have you looked around the world lately? I'm guessing that if a country is in any sort of upheaval (revolution included) that automatically eliminates them from your definition of "civilized"?

cornhole153 wrote:

As has been stated else where countries with the best, most accessible gun laws have the least amount of crime, while those with the strictest have the most crime. Even in the United States, states with oppressive gun laws are several times more likely to have more murders, rapes, and violent crime than states that allow their citizens to follow the constitution.



It is undeniable and indisputable.

Not sure why I'm even responding as Hawk views all his opinions as undeniable and indisputable. Anyway, where has this been posted as clearly the US has higher crimes that pretty much all other developed countries with restricted gun laws.



e.g.,



http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=3231" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



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Wether true or not this is about as relevant as the crime rate on Mars. You don't adhere to scientific process do you?



What Hawk is talking about is the U.S. of A.



It is obvious that you have been thoroughly brainwashed and have no respect for the constitution or the founders. I am sorry for you.



Stalin used the same argument you are using as have all dictators and tyrants. What you are proposing is a trade of an armed Adam Lanza for and armed dictator. I don't consider that a wise trade. Especially when a gun in a school is all that is needed. Problem fixed, move on.

cornhole153 wrote:

As has been stated else where countries with the best, most accessible gun laws have the least amount of crime, while those with the strictest have the most crime. Even in the United States, states with oppressive gun laws are several times more likely to have more murders, rapes, and violent crime than states that allow their citizens to follow the constitution.



It is undeniable and indisputable.

Not sure why I'm even responding as Hawk views all his opinions as undeniable and indisputable. Anyway, where has this been posted as clearly the US has higher crimes that pretty much all other developed countries with restricted gun laws.



e.g.,



http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=3231" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



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Hawk's point seems to be supported by your links

http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2012/12/what-country-has-most-violent-crime.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



http://www.largo.org/Lott.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



http://www.policymic.com/articles/11778/james-eagan-holmes-shooting-strict-gun-laws-only-lead-to-more-violent-crimes/173347" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=1989" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/blanks/081400.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ABYUFAN wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
As has been stated else where countries with the best, most accessible gun laws have the least amount of crime, while those with the strictest have the most crime. Even in the United States, states with oppressive gun laws are several times more likely to have more murders, rapes, and violent crime than states that allow their citizens to follow the constitution.



It is undeniable and indisputable.

Not sure why I'm even responding as Hawk views all his opinions as undeniable and indisputable. Anyway, where has this been posted as clearly the US has higher crimes that pretty much all other developed countries with restricted gun laws.



e.g.,



http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=3231" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



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Hawk's point seems to be supported by your links

Ummm, how?



The first link compares crime in the US with Japan, which has very restrictive gun laws, and shows that the US has 10x the murder rate, 23x the rape rate, 22x the assault rate and 62x the violent robbery than that of Japan.



The other two links clearly show that the US's murder rate far exceeds that of all other developed countries.



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cornhole153 wrote:

cornhole153 wrote:

As has been stated else where countries with the best, most accessible gun laws have the least amount of crime, while those with the strictest have the most crime. Even in the United States, states with oppressive gun laws are several times more likely to have more murders, rapes, and violent crime than states that allow their citizens to follow the constitution.



It is undeniable and indisputable.

Not sure why I'm even responding as Hawk views all his opinions as undeniable and indisputable. Anyway, where has this been posted as clearly the US has higher crimes that pretty much all other developed countries with restricted gun laws.



e.g.,



http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=3231" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



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Hawk's point seems to be supported by your links

Ummm, how?



The first link compares crime in the US with Japan, which has very restrictive gun laws, and shows that the US has 10x the murder rate, 23x the rape rate, 22x the assault rate and 62x the violent robbery than that of Japan.



The other two links clearly show that the US's murder rate far exceeds that of all other developed countries.



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The last link shows that the states with the least restrictive gun laws have murder and violent crime rates BELOW those of other countries. And those states with more restrictive gun laws to be skewing the average for the entire nation, as Hawk indicated

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-05900DF7000005DC-677_468x636.jpg" alt="" loading="lazy" style="max-width:100%">



In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.



The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz2I5hD0eo7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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hawkwing wrote:
Is there any benefit to alcohol use? I suppose some people like the taste, but the costs far outweigh any benefit. The government is foolish for not banning it.

Actually, people are just foolish for drinking the stuff. Just because something is legal or illegal does not make it wrong or right. The government DID try to ban it, and the results were similar to those that would be seen if/when the government bans guns. And really, I don't mind someone responsibly drinking alcohol just like I don't mind anyone who is a responsible gun owner.

BroncoBot wrote:

Is there any benefit to alcohol use? I suppose some people like the taste, but the costs far outweigh any benefit. The government is foolish for not banning it.

Actually, people are just foolish for drinking the stuff. Just because something is legal or illegal does not make it wrong or right. The government DID try to ban it, and the results were similar to those that would be seen if/when the government bans guns. And really, I don't mind someone responsibly drinking alcohol just like I don't mind anyone who is a responsible gun owner.

I know, sorry I was being TIC.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
Is there any benefit to alcohol use? I suppose some people like the taste, but the costs far outweigh any benefit. The government is foolish for not banning it.

Actually, people are just foolish for drinking the stuff. Just because something is legal or illegal does not make it wrong or right. The government DID try to ban it, and the results were similar to those that would be seen if/when the government bans guns. And really, I don't mind someone responsibly drinking alcohol just like I don't mind anyone who is a responsible gun owner.

I know, sorry I was being TIC.

In that case...



:lol: :lol: :lol: :blush:

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
Is there any benefit to alcohol use? I suppose some people like the taste, but the costs far outweigh any benefit. The government is foolish for not banning it.

Actually, people are just foolish for drinking the stuff. Just because something is legal or illegal does not make it wrong or right. The government DID try to ban it, and the results were similar to those that would be seen if/when the government bans guns. And really, I don't mind someone responsibly drinking alcohol just like I don't mind anyone who is a responsible gun owner.

I know, sorry I was being TIC.

How do you think that dude gets into the Cosmo costume and runs around doing all that looney stuff? He's half lit every time! :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)

How do you think that dude gets into the Cosmo costume and runs around doing all that looney stuff? He's half lit every time! :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)[/quote]



Hey that's responsible drinking!

nuk13 wrote:
How do you think that dude gets into the Cosmo costume and runs around doing all that looney stuff? He's half lit every time! :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)

Hey that's responsible drinking![/quote]



Not only a responsible guy - he's got huge huevos. I could never do pull that gig off. I'd trip, or slip, or do something really stupid and get fired on the spot. I actually really like Cosmo. Fun, athletic, entertaining and cool. All the things I'm not. 8)



Hey - what does Cosmo have to do with the 2nd Amendment? Shoot the hijacker! :lol:

ABYUFAN wrote:

ABYUFAN wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
As has been stated else where countries with the best, most accessible gun laws have the least amount of crime, while those with the strictest have the most crime. Even in the United States, states with oppressive gun laws are several times more likely to have more murders, rapes, and violent crime than states that allow their citizens to follow the constitution.



It is undeniable and indisputable.

Not sure why I'm even responding as Hawk views all his opinions as undeniable and indisputable. Anyway, where has this been posted as clearly the US has higher crimes that pretty much all other developed countries with restricted gun laws.



e.g.,



http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=3231" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



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Hawk's point seems to be supported by your links

Ummm, how?



The first link compares crime in the US with Japan, which has very restrictive gun laws, and shows that the US has 10x the murder rate, 23x the rape rate, 22x the assault rate and 62x the violent robbery than that of Japan.



The other two links clearly show that the US's murder rate far exceeds that of all other developed countries.



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The last link shows that the states with the least restrictive gun laws have murder and violent crime rates BELOW those of other countries. And those states with more restrictive gun laws to be skewing the average for the entire nation, as Hawk indicated

Really? Which states & countries are you comparing? Because even the best states (which are all rural) fall below well below pretty much all the countries like Italy, France, Spain, Japan -- all of which have major population centers.

SpiffCoug wrote:

jvquarterback wrote:
Mark Levin has as much commitment to the constitution as his current talking point permits. He likes the 2nd amendment but hates the 4th. Look at his positions on NDAA.

Mark Levin hates the 4th Amendment? Meaning, he is for unreasonable searches and seizures?

So is he for or against the NDAA. I'm guess he is against it, and rightfully so.

Levin is Pro-NDAA. Call in and ask him. You'll never get past his screeners but if you do he'll just hang up on you. At least that's what happened last time someone called him on it.