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Recruiting: Going the Junior College Route

by Mars · 1/25/2013

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Mars


There seem to be multiple reasons why it's helpful for college football programs to recruit JC players, and also some reasons not to. Positives include getting players that can make a more immediate impact. They are older, more mature, more experienced, better academically prepared and usually better taught and prepared when it comes to football skills as well. If they are LDS, they've likely already served their mission, so the timing of their play will be straight forward and simple. If you have a team weakness, they can be plugged in easily to help fill gaps quickly and solve problems. They also look better in recruiting rankings, as proven players tend to get an extra star or so, even if that's not actually important. Kansas State has used them very effectively in past seasons, as has Utah more recently (Lotuleilei, Asiata). This might be a good season for BYU to use them as well, due to the mission age change rule, and also due to some team weaknesses that have been exposed and may need to be more immediately changed. Of course, having a guy for 4 years is preferable to having him for just two, but the wait is longer for the gamble to begin paying out.



That all being said, it seems that BYU has recruited a lot more JCs to this class than they normally do under Bronco Mendenhall, besides the DB position (note which other positions are frequent below):



Committed:



DT/DE JC Maataua Brown 6-5/360

RT/OT/C JC Josh Carter ** (2) 6-5/290/5.1

BC/CB Sam Lee 6-0/180

DL/MLB JC RM Kalolo Manumaleuga Utu *** (3) 6-2/285

CB JC Trenton Trammell 5-11/185/4.5

C JC Quincy Awa-Dubose 6-3/315 (Catholic)



Offered:



MLB/ILB JC Auston Johnson *** (3) 6-1/245

OT JC Chongo Kondolo ** (2) 6-4/300

DT JC Tutulupeata "Duce" Mataele 6-3/280

OT/DE JC Nic Purcell 6-6/295/4.91

OG/OT JC Lloyd Tunstill ** (2) 6-4/330/5.5

CB JC Carroll Washington (0) 5-11/177/4.44



Recruited:

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Cougs_Rule
And now add Quincy Awa-Dubose. A very large JC Prospect to play Center. Found by Tujague. See DNews article today.
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vrob
Did they offer Johnson, then?
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Mars
vrob wrote:
Did they offer Johnson, then?

At one point, reportedly. Last I knew, offer was used up by another player.
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BroncoBot
Mars wrote:
Did they offer Johnson, then?

At one point, reportedly. Last I knew, offer was used up by another player.

That was before Ragin left though, right?
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Mars
BroncoBot wrote:
That was before Ragin left though, right?

Correct. Also before he became extremely upset with the BYU coaching staff.
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BroncoBot
Mars wrote:
That was before Ragin left though, right?

Correct. Also before he became extremely upset with the BYU coaching staff.

ha ha. Also correct.
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trueblue72
Auston Johnson got mad at the coaches? What happened..... Details?



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beauso79
trueblue72 wrote:
Auston Johnson got mad at the coaches? What happened..... Details?



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He tripped to BYU expecting an offer to be made and was told it was contingent upon another player, supposedly Chasen Anderson, and whether he took his offer or not. Johnson tweeted something like "I've never been so disrespected in my life" or something along those lines. If this is indeed the case I still would have taken Johnson over Anderson as Anderson is coming off of injury I believe and Johnson could help immediately
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Cougarbib
beauso79 wrote:
Auston Johnson got mad at the coaches? What happened..... Details?



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He tripped to BYU expecting an offer to be made and was told it was contingent upon another player, supposedly Chasen Anderson, and whether he took his offer or not. Johnson tweeted something like "I've never been so disrespected in my life" or something along those lines. If this is indeed the case I still would have taken Johnson over Anderson as Anderson is coming off of injury I believe and Johnson could help immediately


They cannot offer everyone, so there will be disappointment and even resentment by some players. Unavoudable. Time to get over it. Perhaps time to kiss up and apply salve to the wound.



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scott715
Claims an offer from Texas A&M but I get the feeling that he has no offer and time is running out.
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beauso79
Getting both Lloyd Tunstill and Nick Purcell to strengthen the O-line would be huge. Purcell sounds pretty impressive as his list of offers include Oregon, Cal, Oregon State, Utah, BYU, etc..........



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jvquarterback
I'm in favor of getting the best player and playing them right away whether JC or high school. Win more and you get better recruits so the idea that a high school player is better can end up hurting you in the end. Some perceived benefit 4-6 years down the road is rarely wort what you can have now.



It would be interesting to do a points over replacement analysis though. Sounds like a HR project a group of b-school students could tackle.



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Cougarbib
jvquarterback wrote:
I'm in favor of getting the best player and playing them right away whether JC or high school. Win more and you get better recruits so the idea that a high school player is better can end up hurting you in the end. Some perceived benefit 4-6 years down the road is rarely wort what you can have now.



It would be interesting to do a points over replacement analysis though. Sounds like a HR project a group of b-school students could tackle.



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What? Translation?



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jvquarterback
Cougarbib wrote:
What? Translation?


It is conventional wisdom that a HS kid is a better recruit than a JC kid because of time spent at the university. I'm not sure that is the case.



There are multiple ways to evaluate how good a player really is. The best one in baseball, soccer, and basketball is points over replacement. You evaluate how many points your current player scored (adjusted for strength of opponent) and subtract the average scored at that position. In football there are different metrics for different positions but every team in baseball, soccer, and basketball has a bunch of statisticians and MBA's in the HR department. Most NFL teams have them now too.



The USC business school has a team that works for Boca Juniors and another working for the football team.



The JC/HS decision seems like something a group of Marriott School kids could look into (among many other things). I imagine the best path would be some mix of JC/HS but you may find the use of JC transfers is very underutilized (or maybe over-utilized for all I know) and BYU could gain a competitive advantage by recruiting more (or fewer) JC transfers.



To be honest I think a huge part of it could hinge on the use of the red shirt season. With a kid in school for 4-5 years versus 2-3 years for one spot on the roster. The best use of a redshirt (if at all) would be another interesting question to answer.
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scott715
I would argue a team of JCs would be better than a team of HS recruits. The JCs would have a lot more depth. The problem is that there are few stars in the JC ranks. The HS kids have more potential. The problem is that a lot of the freshman are not ready so they are only occupaying the spots on the team. Good JCs are worth spending a schollie on as long as they can keep their grades.
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Qman
scott715 wrote:
I would argue a team of JCs would be better than a team of HS recruits. The JCs would have a lot more depth. The problem is that there are few stars in the JC ranks. The HS kids have more potential. The problem is that a lot of the freshman are not ready so they are only occupaying the spots on the team. Good JCs are worth spending a schollie on as long as they can keep their grades.


And the HC.
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jvquarterback
Just checked Bill Snyder at kSU had nine jc recruits in 2011 and eight in 2012. I think they did pretty well this year. That was around 35% of each recruiting class. He also already has five jc commits this year.



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Fido
Another JC commit!

De'Ondre Wesley, a 6-foot-7, 300-pound offensive tackle at Diablo Valley College in Pleasant Hill, Calif.



That puts them up to 7 now? And still might be a few more.
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Mars
Fido wrote:
That puts them up to 7 now? And still might be a few more.

2 more, minus Dubose. Was it 8 total JCs then (including Maatua Brown)? 8 total OL, I know.
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