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Mount Saint Mary's Prediction and Live Game Thread

by Cougarbib · 11/15/2013

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Qman
Quick notes on this game-



The whole game felt like a HS all-star team vs a bad HS team. We were bigger and more athletic at almost every position.



When we got up big we relax on D a little and they hit some tough shots. They have some very good guards.



KC was dominate against this level of competition as he should be. He rebounded, drove and even made a couple of face-up jumpers.



Carlino looks a little out of control. He is looking more and more like a poor man's Ginobili. He would force his way into triple teams and try to recover. Against this team that was okay. He needs to be smarter in the future.



Winder played a great game- he hit his shots but importantly they were the right shots for him. He didn't really force much.



Bartley deserves a mention but I don't think many of the shots he made will be there against better competition. But his hustle on the defense and defensive board is the useful.



Halford is smart and fairly skilled. I still see him getting physically overwhelmed against better teams.



Haws needs to get well.



Austin is finding his niche on this team.



I hope we can get Kaufisi back on the team. I don't trust Worthington or Sharp. At least Kaufisi would give us a good chance at rebounds.
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craigoscarson
I don't think MSM was that bad 1-3, but I do think their big man situation is abysmal, they have a chance to do some damage in their league but not out of it.



Came at a good time, we need Haws next week.



Good for the team to get confidence without Tyler, good for Anson, Frank, and Skyler to get confidence. There will be games Tyler doesn't come out so it's nice they can have this weekend to believe they're capable.



If people remember last year, Brandon was unable to create his own shot and when Tyler wasn't in the game or having trouble... we were completely inept and had a ton of negative possessions where we simply could not get a good shot off. This is where I see the greatest difference between this years team and last. It really took not having Tyler in the game to see that we will be able to get shots off without him, and with him and the way that our big men pass... watch out. I still worry about defense and turnovers, but the next two weeks will tell a ton.



KC was amazing. He's a jumpshot away from being the next Danny Ainge... we might not see that til his senior year if ever... but he's smart, athletic, and fearless. Now he just has to value the ball at a little more.
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craigoscarson
I'm still not seeing the Colorado game on my BYUtv guide. It's the football game, then the replay of the Stanford game, then the replay of the football game today...



I really enjoyed seeing all the new guys and young guys play last night and am praying that somehow the satellite guide is just wrong.
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nuk13
I was only able to listen to ksl the second half. I did it on line if any of you could use that info. I think a lot of the team gained confidence in this game. Sooner or later this will come in handy. Top to bottom this team may be or may become the best we've seen in a while.



I am concerned that Carlino is not only out of control at times but he is looking more to score himself than pass to his teammates. Maybe I watched J. Stockton too much but he ran his team, quarterbacked it if you will, and that is what a point guard is to do. Stockton scored, I remember his joy in hitting the winning shot against Houston in the finals, and Carlino obviously has that ability but if his shot is not falling he needs to put more in to the team.
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byucougar1
BYU attacked the rim - which led to MSM getting into early foul trouble which lessened their ability to run the full court press and trigger their Mayhem offense. It was a good test for the BYU guards to learn how to handle pressure. It was also nice to see Winder and Bartley show both an inside and outside game. Seems like KC and Mika feed off of each other and KC often rewards his hustle down court with a lob to slam home. Team is improving day to day - like their aggressive play and desire to score lots and lots of points by pushing the throttle on fast break.
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Cougarbib
craigoscarson wrote:
I'm still not seeing the Colorado game on my BYUtv guide. It's the football game, then the replay of the Stanford game, then the replay of the football game today...



I really enjoyed seeing all the new guys and young guys play last night and am praying that somehow the satellite guide is just wrong.


Craig. The regular BYU athletic site has the info, but it is literally hidden.



Click on the schedule. It shows scores of prior games and date and time of future games.



Go to Colorado Mesa. Where you see 7:30 - click. Then TV coverage comes up.
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Schmoe
craigoscarson wrote:
I'm still not seeing the Colorado game on my BYUtv guide. It's the football game, then the replay of the Stanford game, then the replay of the football game today...



I really enjoyed seeing all the new guys and young guys play last night and am praying that somehow the satellite guide is just wrong.


It's showing up on mine, on Dish, so maybe yours has changed now or it's just wrong.
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craigoscarson
nuk13 wrote:
I was only able to listen to ksl the second half. I did it on line if any of you could use that info. I think a lot of the team gained confidence in this game. Sooner or later this will come in handy. Top to bottom this team may be or may become the best we've seen in a while.



I am concerned that Carlino is not only out of control at times but he is looking more to score himself than pass to his teammates. Maybe I watched J. Stockton too much but he ran his team, quarterbacked it if you will, and that is what a point guard is to do. Stockton scored, I remember his joy in hitting the winning shot against Houston in the finals, and Carlino obviously has that ability but if his shot is not falling he needs to put more in to the team.


I would rather have a hard charging neversaydie Matt Carlino than a tentative one (the tentative one got worked last year in our inexcusable losses to USD, USF, St Mary's etc.).



We had a couple former college players on our intramural teams in college (I had connections through my job at school, so we knew how to unfairly load our team... it's just not right to be the dental school team, show up and realize that the medical school team has a 6'8" and 6'10" front line and a 6'1" point guard that signed with Oklahoma out of high school and never qualified due to grades) and they obviously wanted to run and run and run. At 1st, the rest of us couldn't keep up with the pace and we all felt out of control (didn't matter as we won every game by 50+) but by the end of the intramural season, we all could play that way and it was amazing that the moment your team had the ball in your hands, you were pushing it. After playing that way, I don't see any other way to play because not only does it make you better, but if the other team isn't programmed to play that way or in shape to play that way it just wrecks them. Matt is our point guard and he has to have it in his DNA to run. No doubt he could make better decisions sometimes but he's much much better than the tentative player he has been the last couple of years. If we have to sacrifice a few turnovers so that he can set the pace for the team, then so-be-it. What I learned about playing at that pace, is that you get better at it, not worse. The game slows down and as he learns to trust his teammates and as the games get to be more important, I think he'll make better decisions. The last thing we want is a Carlino that thinks too much and isn't willing to go to the hole.



Same deal with free throws. This team will get better at it because these guys are shooters, if they can hit threes , they can hit free throws, however free throws don't feel as natural because it's not at the same breakneck pacing. Once they get used to running at this pace and not getting tired at the line, they will be a great free throw shooting team... right in time for when we really need it. When you go at that pace, often the worst thing you can do is stop; that's when your body all of a sudden tells you that you're tired. All of a sudden you start sweating buckets. All of a sudden your body wants more oxygen. They'll adjust and we'll be a juggernaut from the line. But at no point do I want Carlino, or Mika, or Collinsworth, etc. to stop running just because we end up with empty possessions. (Nothing drives me crazier than turnovers and empty possessions in hoops... and I'll complain til the cows come home with they turn over the ball; but it's also the learning curve this team needs. Let them run, coach them up when they blow it, but let them run.) However, as they continue at this pace, they will get better at it and the other team will not. We cannot come out of that pacing, simply for the benefit of our assist/turnover ratio. It will improve as we go, even with better competition on the horizon.



Here's a good example. Texas is a decent team and their starters can definitely run with us, but they dont' shoot well. They have very little depth; however they have a backup center that's one of those 6'10" 280 lb bodies that can really do damage at times http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61714/cameron-ridley" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(he's hit or miss, but dangerous)... where do you play that guy when BYU is running like they are? It truly takes him out of the game. Then what happens if the starting center for Texas (who's not a scorer and while a better runner is still a load at 6'10" 250) gets in foul trouble? http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61710/prince-ibeh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Even their starting point guard is a bit of a fatty..

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61708/javan-felix" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



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He's good but there's no way he can keep up with the place we play. He'll either get in foul trouble or he'll have a heart attack. If you've watched Texas play, there's no way this kid is only 195 lbs, even at 5'11"... He's either shorter or heavier. How does he keep up with Carlino? Answer: He doesn't and BYU wins the Texas game handily IF they run, and IF they manage to maximize their up tempo game with scores and free throws. If BYU gets pulled into a half court game, it's anyones guess, Texas has talent and those 250 lb centers will give us trouble if we allow them to get interior passes. But in an up tempo game, we could win this going away (ala Stanford).



BYU will zone these guys and eat them alive on the break. That all starts with Matt Carlino.



Eventually we'll run into a team that's either so efficient, that our break doesn't hurt them (Gonzaga) or a team that can run with us (Oregon) where we can't afford to make mistakes period... but right now is the time get the kinks out and I hope that means Matt does everything fast break style. I hope he eats fast, does his homework fast, talks to his mom on the phone fast... you name it.
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SpiffCoug
The best/biggest surprise through three games for me has been the play of Anson Winder. He's been terrific. Great production off the bench in the first two games, and great game stepping in for Haws last night.



He is currently 5th on the team in points, leads the team in points available percentage, leads the team in true shooting percentage, leads the team in effective field goal percentage, leads the team in assist/turnover ratio.



He's playing really well.
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Cougarbib
Craig

I have no issue with MC running and erring into traffic once in a while. But remember, as Carlino goes, so goes the rest of the team, usually. He gets sloppy, othets get sloppy. Worse issue when he gets selfish - forcing long shots - othets get selfish and trust dissolves.



Carlino is a junior and a team leader. Time for him to finish assuming that mantle.



Sure. Take it to the hoop. Hold off on 35 foot shots when covered.



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