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I have not participated in CC for weeks. I do have to comment that this is one of the silliest threads in a while.



It must be a bad football season when there are arguments pertaining to beards. If anyone cares, I am all for beards if it helps recruiting......changing anything else in the HC is tough. I do believe there is a massive difference between a beard and immodest/slutty clothing.



Both sides have merit, but BYU zealots are a bit over the top in the "rule keeping". There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. If you want to really make a complaint let's discuss BYU-I, which a whole separate level of rule keeping.

I agree with ND, this thread would have a lot of non-byu folk splitting their sides with laughter.



immodest clothing for women is the equivalent to beards for men?

utah porn?

Jesus and BY couldn't attend BYU without shaving????

BroncoBot wrote:

Jesus and BY couldn't attend BYU without shaving????

Nor could they go on missions...



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SenorCougar wrote:

Jesus and BY couldn't attend BYU without shaving????

Nor could they go on missions...



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Jesus' robes would be inappropreate for campus as well; and Brigham Young has multiple wives, which precludes him from attending BYU.

ABYUFAN wrote:

BroncoBot wrote:

Jesus and BY couldn't attend BYU without shaving????

Nor could they go on missions...



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Jesus' robes would be inappropreate for campus as well; and Brigham Young has multiple wives, which precludes him from attending BYU.

If BY showed up today and tried to go to BYU he'd have trouble. In his day, not so much.



That's part of my point. The standards change. So, why not revisit the HC and how it's enforced?



In which case, my opinion is it shouldn't be any different than what is required to enter temples.



Teach correct principles and let them govern themselves...

Maybe BY and others had "beard cards".....that is likely why their beards caused no issues. Duh.



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Gunk wrote:

I disagree that temple worthiness is the highest denominator. That's a hurdle to cross on the way to something greater, not the end of the road.



Do you also think that the Church needs to do away with the more stringent rules/dress code they impose upon the missionaries and General Authorities? Don't the same arguments that are being made here also bear against the GA and missionary dress and behavior regulations?

If one is worthy to enter the temple, one is worthy to enter the Celestial Kingdom. What's higher than the Celestial Kingdom? It's not the end of the road, but it's the ticket that gets you there. Right now, I am worthy enough to qualify for the full blessings of the atonement and enter the presence of God. I am, however, not worthy enough to attend BYU because I have a beard, never mind the fact there's a good chance God also has a beard, in which case he couldn't go to BYU either. :bug:



For most people that haven't grown up surrounded by people seemingly temple worthy, temple worthiness is actually a really hard thing to obtain and sustain. So while it may be ho-hum to you - big deal everyone is temple worthy - I actually look at it as quite the accomplishment and the HC actually waters down this accomplishment - temple worthiness is great and all, but if you're REALLY righteous you abide by the HC. :roll:



GA and missionaries are called and set apart to be special witnesses of Christ. In the case of GAs they are paid and like any job have a "uniform" that they are supposed to wear. Comparing students at BYU to ordained missionaries is apples and oranges. Do you wear a suit wherever you go because you're Mormon and Mormon missionaries where suits?



No student is called or set apart to attend BYU. God didn't not come to me or through one of his ordained representatives and ask me to attend BYU. I applied. I got good grades, took a test, filled out an application and crossed my fingers as anyone in the entire world can do regardless of faith. An atheist could attend BYU if they wanted to. Me attending BYU or not has no consequence of failing to serve the Lord.



There is a time and season for all things. Missionary work is not student work.



Furthermore, the dress and grooming standards of missionaries conform to society's standard of cleanliness and presentability. 120 years ago just about every male LDS missionary and GA had a beard.



Like it or not, but the Church's "standards" for modesty and grooming change.

Boom! Spot on.



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snoscythe wrote:
Don't get me wrong--I'm all for beards, and I'm bearded myself--HW and Spiff can attest, but when I went to BYU, and when I went on my mission I was clean shaven when it was asked of me. I knew it was a requirement when I applied to BYU, and I knew it was a requirement when I submitted my papers. Complaining about it would be like someone who borrowed money and then threw a fit when the bank wanted me to pay them back a little each month because it wasn't fair--what exactly were you expecting??



Jesus, Brigham Young, and any other historical figure who had a beard could totally be a GA or attend BYU today. They'd just have to shave--it would be a choice for them just like everyone else today. It's not like Lorenzo Snow's beard is a permanent attachment to his face.



That argument is like saying "Jesus, Brigham Young, and Lorenzo Snow couldn't fly on an airplane if they lived today because they never had a government issued ID!!!" It makes you stupider for having said it.

It makes your more stupid for saying stupider.



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nickdutson wrote:

Don't get me wrong--I'm all for beards, and I'm bearded myself--HW and Spiff can attest, but when I went to BYU, and when I went on my mission I was clean shaven when it was asked of me. I knew it was a requirement when I applied to BYU, and I knew it was a requirement when I submitted my papers. Complaining about it would be like someone who borrowed money and then threw a fit when the bank wanted me to pay them back a little each month because it wasn't fair--what exactly were you expecting??



Jesus, Brigham Young, and any other historical figure who had a beard could totally be a GA or attend BYU today. They'd just have to shave--it would be a choice for them just like everyone else today. It's not like Lorenzo Snow's beard is a permanent attachment to his face.



That argument is like saying "Jesus, Brigham Young, and Lorenzo Snow couldn't fly on an airplane if they lived today because they never had a government issued ID!!!" It makes you stupider for having said it.

It makes your more stupid for saying stupider.



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I'll give you a piece of advice: when trying to correct someone's grammar, it's important to check your own spelling and grammar, first.

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NDCougar wrote:
Maybe BY and others had "beard cards".....that is likely why their beards caused no issues. Duh.



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Looks like BYU has closed the loophole that was there during my time. Back then you could just get a dr. note from any dr., or in my case, a PA, go to the Honor Code office and get your letter for the professors/testing center stating you were allowed facial hair. The letter was only good for 30 days (while you grow your beard out without trimming for your new student ID aka beard card), but the Honor Code office didn't maintain records of who was in the pipeline for a beard card, so after 30 days, you just take the same dr's note in and repeat the process. Once your dr's note got to be a bit stale, you just call his office and ask for a new note and you're good to go. It especially helped to have a Dr. who went to the U.



Seems like a lot of work, but for folks who have a legitimate reason for not shaving and who didn't want to lock themselves into a 30-day untrimmed beard, this was the way to go as explained to me by the kid in the HC office.



Now it looks like BYU makes the bearded go through the Health Center drs as non-BYU affiliated Drs weren't getting the job done. LOL.

So I haven't posted forever. My job changed to where I don't have hours to be productive on CC and I actually have to work. I couldn't pass this one up though-

What I’ve learned from this thread-

1. Some CC members have the same hold ups as Ute fans with the honor code and feel we need to tell Dallin H. Oaks and Jeffrey R. Holland that they have their rules mixed up. Maybe side notes to David A. Bednar and Henry B. Eyring would be appropriate as well.

2. 60% of women on campus have had some sort of sexual activity that would be against the honor code. I’m guessing Peggy Fletcher Stack didn't bother to mention that there’s a huge array of sexual activities that are against the honor code especially when personal interpretation is brought in. My guess is the trib comments concluded each one of those girls was using Plan B pills and Duane Busby was providing it. I also broke the honor code each time I jaywalked and drove at 26 MPH in front of the Wilk.

3. If I can get in the temple I’ve made it.

4. Uni-kitty is probably using anti-depressants and Ned Flanders is probably looking at porn.

5. I may need to go shave my Movember stache which is looking awesome by the way.



BYU had to put a line somewhere. It's not that big of an issue. Just shave for 4 years.



Gordon Monson's self decided job is to make you upset. Your life is better without him.