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by snoscythe · 12/21/2009

BYUROCKS

1/14/2010, 4:17:18 PM

I want to see it, but maybe that because it is Anti-american is why it is doing so well.

Mars

1/15/2010, 3:50:07 AM

Italics wrote:
Basically the moral of the story is: Terrorists have the right to murder Americans because we attacked their holy land. This was as blunt of an anti-american movie as I have ever seen.

This was my exact fear going into the movie. I was glad to learn this fear was completely unfounded. It's like calling Pocohantas, Dances with Wolves, or Fern Gully "anti-American".

BYUROCKS

1/15/2010, 5:27:49 AM

Mars wrote:
Basically the moral of the story is: Terrorists have the right to murder Americans because we attacked their holy land. This was as blunt of an anti-american movie as I have ever seen.

This was my exact fear going into the movie. I was glad to learn this fear was completely unfounded. It's like calling Pocohantas, Dances with Wolves, or Fern Gully "anti-American".

Pocohantas?

Pocahontas, I liked that story, and everything I have heard about Avatar makes it just like Pocahontas.

Italics

1/15/2010, 8:33:26 AM

Mars wrote:
Basically the moral of the story is: Terrorists have the right to murder Americans because we attacked their holy land. This was as blunt of an anti-american movie as I have ever seen.

This was my exact fear going into the movie. I was glad to learn this fear was completely unfounded. It's like calling Pocohantas, Dances with Wolves, or Fern Gully "anti-American".

You weren't paying much attention then. Again, people can call me delusional, paranoid, oversensitve, whatever. This was so blatantly un-American that it wasn't even funny. Yes, 90% of movies nowadays push some sort of liberal message in them, but this movie took it to a whole new level.

Mars

1/15/2010, 9:40:17 AM

Italics wrote:
people can call me delusional, paranoid, oversensitve, whatever. This was so blatantly un-American that it wasn't even funny. Yes, 90% of movies nowadays push some sort of liberal message in them, but this movie took it to a whole new level.

How so?

Schmoe

1/15/2010, 9:43:40 AM

Italics wrote:
Italics wrote:
Basically the moral of the story is: Terrorists have the right to murder Americans because we attacked their holy land. This was as blunt of an anti-american movie as I have ever seen.

This was my exact fear going into the movie. I was glad to learn this fear was completely unfounded. It's like calling Pocohantas, Dances with Wolves, or Fern Gully "anti-American".

You weren't paying much attention then. Again, people can call me delusional, paranoid, oversensitve, whatever. This was so blatantly un-American that it wasn't even funny. Yes, 90% of movies nowadays push some sort of liberal message in them, but this movie took it to a whole new level.

I haven't seen the movie, but having studied film for a time I will tell you this: There are thousands of different ways to interpret a movie and the messages and themes that the director is trying to portray. And, even if the director is trying to say one thing, the movie may end up saying something completely different, so that doesn't matter anyway. There are very few movies that are not propaganda that have a single, clear-cut message. Interpret the movie in your own way and enjoy it, or not, for that interpretation and allow others to do the same.

UVACoug

1/15/2010, 2:05:41 PM

Italics wrote:
Italics wrote:
Basically the moral of the story is: Terrorists have the right to murder Americans because we attacked their holy land. This was as blunt of an anti-american movie as I have ever seen.

This was my exact fear going into the movie. I was glad to learn this fear was completely unfounded. It's like calling Pocohantas, Dances with Wolves, or Fern Gully "anti-American".

You weren't paying much attention then. Again, people can call me delusional, paranoid, oversensitve, whatever. This was so blatantly un-American that it wasn't even funny. Yes, 90% of movies nowadays push some sort of liberal message in them, but this movie took it to a whole new level.

I don't know about anti-American. I can see where you are coming on on that, and I partially agree with it, but I think it was more anti-military/anti-humanity than specifically anti-American. There were unmistakable swipes at George W. Bush and other conservatives who led the country during the time following September 11th. The main military leader saying stuff like if they aren't with us they are against us (or something like that). The soldiers in the movie were so one dimensional and blood thirsty, it was pretty pathetic. The movie was stunning to look at, but the plot really got under my skin.

Guest

1/15/2010, 4:33:43 PM

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have heard one person ranting about how one of the marines is supposed to have said: "I didn't sign up for this shock and awe!" Which is of course ridiculous.

BoiseBYU

1/15/2010, 5:19:49 PM

Schmoe wrote:
Mars wrote:
Basically the moral of the story is: Terrorists have the right to murder Americans because we attacked their holy land. This was as blunt of an anti-american movie as I have ever seen.

This was my exact fear going into the movie. I was glad to learn this fear was completely unfounded. It's like calling Pocohantas, Dances with Wolves, or Fern Gully "anti-American".

You weren't paying much attention then. Again, people can call me delusional, paranoid, oversensitve, whatever. This was so blatantly un-American that it wasn't even funny. Yes, 90% of movies nowadays push some sort of liberal message in them, but this movie took it to a whole new level.

I haven't seen the movie, but having studied film for a time I will tell you this: There are thousands of different ways to interpret a movie and the messages and themes that the director is trying to portray. And, even if the director is trying to say one thing, the movie may end up saying something completely different, so that doesn't matter anyway. There are very few movies that are not propaganda that have a single, clear-cut message. Interpret the movie in your own way and enjoy it, or not, for that interpretation and allow others to do the same.

I, for example, thought the Titantic was a metaphor for the BCS...

SpiffCoug

1/15/2010, 6:28:44 PM

hawkwing wrote:
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have heard one person ranting about how one of the marines is supposed to have said: "I didn't sign up for this shock and awe!" Which is of course ridiculous.

Yeah that was when the security force started to blow up the smurfs tree.

Mars

1/15/2010, 7:42:05 PM

UVACoug wrote:
I don't know about anti-American. I can see where you are coming on on that, and I partially agree with it, but I think it was more anti-military/anti-humanity than specifically anti-American.

That's one of the things that made me happy about the movie. It wasn't a country or a planet's military at all, it was just one crappy corporation with a bunch of mercenaries (some ex-military) as hired muscle.

snoscythe

1/15/2010, 7:46:36 PM

Mars wrote:
I don't know about anti-American. I can see where you are coming on on that, and I partially agree with it, but I think it was more anti-military/anti-humanity than specifically anti-American.

That's one of the things that made me happy about the movie. It wasn't a country or a planet's military at all, it was just one crappy corporation with a bunch of mercenaries (some ex-military) as hired muscle.

....and the corporation is a vestige of the British Empire. So....it's an anti-tea-and-crumpets movie! I can get behind that.

Italics

1/15/2010, 9:26:12 PM

Schmoe wrote:
Mars wrote:
Basically the moral of the story is: Terrorists have the right to murder Americans because we attacked their holy land. This was as blunt of an anti-american movie as I have ever seen.

This was my exact fear going into the movie. I was glad to learn this fear was completely unfounded. It's like calling Pocohantas, Dances with Wolves, or Fern Gully "anti-American".

You weren't paying much attention then. Again, people can call me delusional, paranoid, oversensitve, whatever. This was so blatantly un-American that it wasn't even funny. Yes, 90% of movies nowadays push some sort of liberal message in them, but this movie took it to a whole new level.

I haven't seen the movie, but having studied film for a time I will tell you this: There are thousands of different ways to interpret a movie and the messages and themes that the director is trying to portray. And, even if the director is trying to say one thing, the movie may end up saying something completely different, so that doesn't matter anyway. There are very few movies that are not propaganda that have a single, clear-cut message. Interpret the movie in your own way and enjoy it, or not, for that interpretation and allow others to do the same.

Except for the fact that the director has come out and admitted the messages he was trying to get across in this film, some which he meant to be blatant, and some which are a bit more hidden. Btw, the only "war" that he's referred to regarding which war this film was alluding to was the Iraq war.

If you know that this movie is making allusions to the war on terror, you've watched the movie, and you actually understand the english language, this movies message becomes pretty blatant.

Sure, that's not to say that you can't watch and enjoy the movie, I just think it's funny that people try to deny negative messages just because they feel they have to justify liking the movie. If you like it, like it, but don't try to cover up what has been admitted already.

Italics

1/15/2010, 9:29:02 PM

hawkwing wrote:
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have heard one person ranting about how one of the marines is supposed to have said: "I didn't sign up for this shock and awe!" Which is of course ridiculous.

This is just but one example.

You could even say the movie was anti-Christian, with remarks such as "I'm a scientist, you know I don't believe in miracles."

In fact, that was another HUGE theme in the movie - glorifying science, and making those who don't support certain scientific theories as ignorant bigots. (I'd REALLY like to see someone deny this one, seeing as there were endless quotes in this movie to support it)

Mars

1/15/2010, 9:35:02 PM

Italics wrote:
the director has come out and admitted the messages he was trying to get across in this film, some which he meant to be blatant, and some which are a bit more hidden. Btw, the only "war" that he's referred to regarding which war this film was alluding to was the Iraq war.

Link?

Yes, the movie was clearly anti-war. So what? So is the Book of Mormon...

Mars

1/15/2010, 9:40:35 PM

Italics wrote:
You could even say the movie was anti-Christian, with remarks such as "I'm a scientist, you know I don't believe in miracles." In fact, that was another HUGE theme in the movie - glorifying science, and making those who don't support certain scientific theories as ignorant bigots. (I'd REALLY like to see someone deny this one, seeing as there were endless quotes in this movie to support it)

You would have to be a REAL weirdo to believe this. It's a movie where a supporting character has a near-death experience and says there is a being on the other side. And the main character prays, and then later has their prayer miraculously answered... :skeptic:

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Schmoe

1/15/2010, 9:50:52 PM

Italics wrote:
Italics wrote:
Italics wrote:
Basically the moral of the story is: Terrorists have the right to murder Americans because we attacked their holy land. This was as blunt of an anti-american movie as I have ever seen.

This was my exact fear going into the movie. I was glad to learn this fear was completely unfounded. It's like calling Pocohantas, Dances with Wolves, or Fern Gully "anti-American".

You weren't paying much attention then. Again, people can call me delusional, paranoid, oversensitve, whatever. This was so blatantly un-American that it wasn't even funny. Yes, 90% of movies nowadays push some sort of liberal message in them, but this movie took it to a whole new level.

I haven't seen the movie, but having studied film for a time I will tell you this: There are thousands of different ways to interpret a movie and the messages and themes that the director is trying to portray. And, even if the director is trying to say one thing, the movie may end up saying something completely different, so that doesn't matter anyway. There are very few movies that are not propaganda that have a single, clear-cut message. Interpret the movie in your own way and enjoy it, or not, for that interpretation and allow others to do the same.

Except for the fact that the director has come out and admitted the messages he was trying to get across in this film, some which he meant to be blatant, and some which are a bit more hidden. Btw, the only "war" that he's referred to regarding which war this film was alluding to was the Iraq war.

If you know that this movie is making allusions to the war on terror, you've watched the movie, and you actually understand the english language, this movies message becomes pretty blatant.

Sure, that's not to say that you can't watch and enjoy the movie, I just think it's funny that people try to deny negative messages just because they feel they have to justify liking the movie. If you like it, like it, but don't try to cover up what has been admitted already.

Even if that is true (which you haven't provided any evidence of), it still doesn't matter. Like I said before, simply because a director sets out to make a movie about something (in this case, anti-America), it doesn't mean that they are successful in doing so (this is why critiques like "deconstruction" have worked so well), it's called the "death of the author" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_author ) We don't have to consider what the author was trying to say, but can value the art (in this case, a movie) for what it is to each one of us after our own assessment and interpretation after a closed reading or viewing.

Italics

1/16/2010, 2:04:40 AM

BoiseBYU wrote:
Italics wrote:
Italics wrote:
Basically the moral of the story is: Terrorists have the right to murder Americans because we attacked their holy land. This was as blunt of an anti-american movie as I have ever seen.

This was my exact fear going into the movie. I was glad to learn this fear was completely unfounded. It's like calling Pocohantas, Dances with Wolves, or Fern Gully "anti-American".

You weren't paying much attention then. Again, people can call me delusional, paranoid, oversensitve, whatever. This was so blatantly un-American that it wasn't even funny. Yes, 90% of movies nowadays push some sort of liberal message in them, but this movie took it to a whole new level.

I haven't seen the movie, but having studied film for a time I will tell you this: There are thousands of different ways to interpret a movie and the messages and themes that the director is trying to portray. And, even if the director is trying to say one thing, the movie may end up saying something completely different, so that doesn't matter anyway. There are very few movies that are not propaganda that have a single, clear-cut message. Interpret the movie in your own way and enjoy it, or not, for that interpretation and allow others to do the same.

I, for example, thought the Titantic was a metaphor for the BCS...

Nice.

Italics

1/16/2010, 2:08:47 AM

I'm too lazy to find the exact link.

If you're that interested (or think I'm making it up) - search Yahoo's news articles for it. It was an article they had up on their main page a few weeks back... if they keep archives of their "main" stories, you should be able to find it pretty easy.

CougarClaw

1/17/2010, 1:19:43 AM

Italics wrote:
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have heard one person ranting about how one of the marines is supposed to have said: "I didn't sign up for this shock and awe!" Which is of course ridiculous.

This is just but one example.

You could even say the movie was anti-Christian, with remarks such as "I'm a scientist, you know I don't believe in miracles."

In fact, that was another HUGE theme in the movie - glorifying science, and making those who don't support certain scientific theories as ignorant bigots. (I'd REALLY like to see someone deny this one, seeing as there were endless quotes in this movie to support it)

except for the same scientist who says this line, later says "It's all true, I can see her (referring to 'God'") on her death bed.

Another theme I picked up in this movie had to do with "the Lexus and the Olive Tree" by Friedman. Also if you pick up "Black Hawk Down" (the book not the movie) there are very strong elements there of what happens when you get in over your head, your technology and military might will not help you win. i loved watching the massive military get taken down by bows and arrows because that's nearly what happened in Somalia and could very easily still happen in Afghanistan.

I...Loved...this...movie. Aside from what others have said, I loved the acting and most of the cast. yes, It was predictable like when jake's bird just happens to find him at the when he needs a ride next to the burning tree and how easy it was for him to get the super-phoenix red-bird. Surely a war society would have thought of "Attacking the bird" before. I also don't think these "aliens" should have spoken as much english as they did, hoop and holler like Indians, have invented bows and arrows, nor ridden horses. And they CERTAINLY shouldn't be kissing. Couple of things I would have changed. That being said, still loved it.

it did make me think about america's involvement with war and resources and how easily these issues can escalate out of hand, but it was a call for peace.

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