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by Ddawg · 3/3/2016

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scott715
I have stayed out of this conversation until now. I don't know who is the best pick. I think The Don is a marketing machine. He has said that he would pick really smart people to be on his cabinet. I would hope that the smart people would make the key decisions and Trump would be the front puppet. That could work out very well.



He loves a fight and his weakness is flattery.
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BroncoBot
BoiseBYU wrote:

Please don't be rude. It is unbecoming. If you want to have a discussion, I'm willing to engage. If you just want to belittle, I see little advantage. For the record, Trump's statements regarding Muslims, to announcing actions with Mexico or China that would amount to the start of trade wars, to indicating he'd be willing to order US soldiers to torture and commit war crimes, to admiring Putin and Hussein, to supporting violence at his assemblies, to belittling disabled citizens, to denigrating women, to charging George Bush as complicit in 9/11, to misrepresenting his business acumen, to boasting of his adulteries, to discussing dating his daughter (When asked how he'd feel if his daughter posed for Playboy: "I don’t think Ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”) are what cause me to think he is different than the rest and would be far worse than the rest. I understand you disagree. So be it. I will not lose sleep over it. I likewise understand that some on this site, maybe even a majority, think voting for Trump is preferable to voting for HRC or Sanders. Fine. There is a basis to conclude that, although as I have stated previously I think it is more likely that the Republic can withstand a Sanders or a Clinton than a Trump. I'm sure it is in your bones to have last word, so have at it. I'm done on this topic. I think I've laid out where I am. Peace to all and God Bless the United States of America.

All allegations presented here against Trump are chump change when compared to the crimes Hillary has committed against America. And if America is truly ready to embrace a full fledged socialist in BS (although we have had many socialists in office the past 100 years) I think "America" as we know it is dead and done. The dream is over if that's the case. Put the Constitution on display as a "historic document" that some future civilization may, if they are so lucky, use as a blueprint for their own Republic.



I'll take Trump 100x over those two idiots.



In regards to the trade war you speak of, I'm personally tired of the US being held hostage by other countries and their demands. If china/mexico wants to have a trade war, let's have it. I have more confidence in the US economy and people to weather such a "war". Any country that would consider such actions with the US would be seriously jeopardizing their own economy.



PS - I also think trump is an awful candidate. Just a lot better than the alternatives at this point. I do enjoy the conversation he has started with his stances and the contempt that has finally erupted towards the status quo. I certainly endorse your plea... "God bless the USA".
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jvquarterback
BoiseBYU wrote:
Please don't be rude. It is unbecoming. If you want to have a discussion, I'm willing to engage. If you just want to belittle, I see little advantage. For the record, Trump's statements regarding Muslims, to announcing actions with Mexico or China that would amount to the start of trade wars, to indicating he'd be willing to order US soldiers to torture and commit war crimes, to admiring Putin and Hussein, to supporting violence at his assemblies, to belittling disabled citizens, to denigrating women, to charging George Bush as complicit in 9/11, to misrepresenting his business acumen, to boasting of his adulteries, to discussing dating his daughter (When asked how he'd feel if his daughter posed for Playboy: "I don’t think Ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”) are what cause me to think he is different than the rest and would be far worse than the rest. I understand you disagree. So be it. I will not lose sleep over it. I likewise understand that some on this site, maybe even a majority, think voting for Trump is preferable to voting for HRC or Sanders. Fine. There is a basis to conclude that, although as I have stated previously I think it is more likely that the Republic can withstand a Sanders or a Clinton than a Trump. I'm sure it is in your bones to have last word, so have at it. I'm done on this topic. I think I've laid out where I am. Peace to all and God Bless the United States of America.


The only quote you have in your whole diatribe against Trump is of a man complementing his daughter. I find your bringing that up despicable. Shame on you.



Since you again failed to reference Trump's official policies or quotes on any of the issues, instead resorting to the ridiculous facebook and twitter memes of the day, I'll address one issue you have with Trump. Muslim immigration to the United States.



You would have us believe Trump wants to ban all Muslims from entering the US, yet his official campaign release says the same thing Rand Paul proposed and Ted Cruz voted for in legislation or a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” Paul proposed a 6 month moratorium, Cruz has said he supports a 3 year moratorium.



If you want to know why this is really drew ire from Republicans look a little further down your list where you've already bought into the lie that Trump says Bush is complicit in 9/11 (a complete fabrication - Trump says Bush bears the responsibility of the attack that occurred during his reign because of the policies Bush continued especially concerning Saudi Arabia). Trump knows, as we all do, that US intervention in the middle east for the past 65 years is "what is going on." Trump supports pulling back from the dangerous entangling alliances that put us at risk of heading to war with Russia, China and more and more countries in the middle east.



Trump says he won't antagonize Vladimir Putin or Li Keqiang militarily. Great. You may find that reason to fear for the sacred cow that is military spending but that would finally free us from the military-industrial complex that robs our country blind. Now if only we could have someone say the same about medicare/medicaid and social security we might get somewhere.



I'm no Trump supporter. I think he's full of hot air and electing him won't result in any differences, but it is a lie to misrepresent what Trump has said or pretend it is any different than what is going on right now, or that any of the current candidates has a different position than Trump on any substantive issue other than drawing America back from the futile, imbecilic foreign policy it has pursued over the past 65 years.
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Guest
People talk about how fascists and socialists have caused the greatest amount of misery in power and rightfully so. Some of the greatest tragedies in the history of the world have come under those forms of government, but what those tragedies also have in common goes deeper than socialism or fascism, it's egocentric, power-hungry leadership of a crazed individual or group of individuals of which is exemplified clearly by Donald Trump, even more so than any other candidate in recent history including the other very poor choices we have running now.



Heaven help our country and protect us from Trump.
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jvquarterback
hawkwing wrote:
People talk about how fascists and socialists have caused the greatest amount of misery in power and rightfully so. Some of the greatest tragedies in the history of the world have come under those forms of government, but what those tragedies also have in common goes deeper than socialism or fascism, it's egocentric, power-hungry leadership of a crazed individual or group of individuals of which is exemplified clearly by Donald Trump, even more so than any other candidate in recent history including the other very poor choices we have running now.



Heaven help our country and protect us from Trump.


At least 1.3 million dead in the middle east from 2001-15, probably closer to 2.5 million and maybe as high as 4 million. Many more if you go back to 1991 and the first Iraq war and even more if you include the proxy war between US backed Iraq and Iran.



But don't listen to Trump because he holds Vladimir Putin in high esteem - you know the Vladimir Putin who actually realizes there is a correct time to withdraw Russian troops from Syria just a couple months after entering, putting pressure on his ally to make concessions.



If you want crazed, power hungry despots look no further than Recep Erdogan, Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, and Benjamin Netanyahu and the morons guiding US foreign policy for the past 28 years, like John Kerry, Donald Rumsfeld, Madelyn Albright, Dick Cheney, Hillary Clinton and the Presidents they worked for.



But go ahead and vote for Hillary Clinton because you believe all the experts on facebook and twitter who have weighed in and say she's less likely than Trump to kill another 4 million people. I'll take the over on 4 million senseless deaths if she is elected, I mean she has all of Africa and Asia to expand her war mongering into when she's president.
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BOID
I also have stayed out of this so far. My two cents:



I pretty much agree with what has been posted by Ddawg, Schmoe, Kahuku, and BroncoBot. I too, am dismayed to have Trump as the likely nominee, because he lacks presidential dignity, and also lacks a filter between his cognitive center and his mouth. His conservative credentials are dubious as well. However, he is mostly a blow-hard, and not a Mussolini.



Hillary, on the other hand, is a Stalin, and Bernie is a Karl Marx. There is no warmth, no humanity residing in either Obama or Hillary. Both are evil narcissists with no redeeming qualities. They both are contemptuous of the Bill of Rights, and are willing to lie, and commit any crime. They have allowed their people to die in some circumstances, in order to protect their political capital. Hillary will continue President Obastard's demolition of America. We cannot afford any more of that.



Bernie is a nicer man, but a total kook. Communism is still evil, even if the messenger is not as despotic. He at least gets some credit for being genuine, not duplicitous, regarding his communism.



Trump is, at the least, generally liked by those who have worked with him personally. If he will go after Hillary with the same zeal that he used against Rosie ODonnel, (while avoiding references to her appearance), well, then perhaps we can hold our noses and tolerate his sins. Those are, I agree, "chump change" compared to the crimes of Hillary Cankles Cackling Clinton, and her stooge, Barky Hussein Hate-America Obama.



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scott715
I heard that someone asked Trump what was his favorite book in the Bible. He looked confused like it was a trick question and answered the Bible. He has no idea what is in the Bible.
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BoiseBYU
scott715 wrote:
I heard that someone asked Trump what was his favorite book in the Bible. He looked confused like it was a trick question and answered the Bible. He has no idea what is in the Bible.

LOL. It is only a matter of time before he claims 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (Lord will descend with the trump of God) is about him.
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Schmoe
hawkwing wrote:
People talk about how fascists and socialists have caused the greatest amount of misery in power and rightfully so. Some of the greatest tragedies in the history of the world have come under those forms of government, but what those tragedies also have in common goes deeper than socialism or fascism, it's egocentric, power-hungry leadership of a crazed individual or group of individuals of which is exemplified...


...by Hillary and Bernie. Again, we have the guy that we think might be bad, or the two that we know for sure will be. (really, though, the GOP needs to get it together, Kasich needs to drop out, and all those delegates need to get behind Cruz, because he can win and he's not a monster).
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Guest
Schmoe wrote:
People talk about how fascists and socialists have caused the greatest amount of misery in power and rightfully so. Some of the greatest tragedies in the history of the world have come under those forms of government, but what those tragedies also have in common goes deeper than socialism or fascism, it's egocentric, power-hungry leadership of a crazed individual or group of individuals of which is exemplified...


...by Hillary and Bernie. Again, we have the guy that we think might be bad, or the two that we know for sure will be. (really, though, the GOP needs to get it together, Kasich needs to drop out, and all those delegates need to get behind Cruz, because he can win and he's not a monster).


We know Hillary and Bernie are bad, not denying that. I also KNOW that Trump is bad. He has lied, cheated, and done anything he can for money and power. Giving him the keys to the military, IRS, law enforcement, etc. is bad bad bad news for all of America.



At least with Hillary and Bernie they are primarily politicians and are worried about their legacies.
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jvquarterback
hawkwing wrote:
hawkwing wrote:
People talk about how fascists and socialists have caused the greatest amount of misery in power and rightfully so. Some of the greatest tragedies in the history of the world have come under those forms of government, but what those tragedies also have in common goes deeper than socialism or fascism, it's egocentric, power-hungry leadership of a crazed individual or group of individuals of which is exemplified...


...by Hillary and Bernie. Again, we have the guy that we think might be bad, or the two that we know for sure will be. (really, though, the GOP needs to get it together, Kasich needs to drop out, and all those delegates need to get behind Cruz, because he can win and he's not a monster).


We know Hillary and Bernie are bad, not denying that. I also KNOW that Trump is bad. He has lied, cheated, and done anything he can for money and power. Giving him the keys to the military, IRS, law enforcement, etc. is bad bad bad news for all of America.



At least with Hillary and Bernie they are primarily politicians and are worried about their legacies.


Clinton admitted on Chris Matthews last night she sold her vote on going to Iraq for $20 billion in aid to New York city. She has received millions of dollars from the Saudis, Emirates, and Israelis in exchange for her support. She stood by while her husband abused countless women with his position of power. She left her subordinates to die Benghazi because it was politically inconvenient (and it is very unlikely that was the first time). All so she could gain power. She puts to shame what any of the previous presidents have done, including her husband. There is nothing, nothing Trump has said or done that can even compare to the evil Clinton embodies.



How can you KNOW that Trump is bad? Have you even read his website? How much time have you spent actually reading what he proposes or what he himself has actually said? How much time have you spent reading what other people say he has said? Have you compared that to what Clinton and Sanders have said and propose on their websites? And how much time have you spent reading what they have proposed?



I have to believe you are simply going off of facebook and twitter memes because there is no way anyone who says they prefer Cruz to Clinton would ever even consider taking Clinton over Trump.
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SpiffCoug
Hillary Clinton is a prostitute. She has sold her vote and positions to the highest bidder.



Donald Trump is a pimp. He pays politicians to vote and use their positions to improve his companies and desires.
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imuakahuku
Schmoe wrote:
People talk about how fascists and socialists have caused the greatest amount of misery in power and rightfully so. Some of the greatest tragedies in the history of the world have come under those forms of government, but what those tragedies also have in common goes deeper than socialism or fascism, it's egocentric, power-hungry leadership of a crazed individual or group of individuals of which is exemplified...


...by Hillary and Bernie. Again, we have the guy that we think might be bad, or the two that we know for sure will be. (really, though, the GOP needs to get it together, Kasich needs to drop out, and all those delegates need to get behind Cruz, because he can win and he's not a monster).


I wish that is what had happened, but Kasich won't because the plan is to give the nomination to him at the convention. I wish Cruz would see that that is what they are planning. The establishment is not getting behind him. They are trying to use him to keep the nom from Trump and then they will give it to Kasich. I would much rather prefer Cruz but I definitely do not want Kasich or any of his ilk. If Cruz and Trump would consider a Cruz VP, I think they could be a strong team. But Cruz has no chance. The establishment WILL NOT settle for Cruz.



Just a point on Donald. He has proposed three plans, healthcare, immigration, and economy. All of them are conservative. I think "the Don" is an executive that likes to have an idea and then let his people get them done. And so far he has been reaching out to the right people (such as Sessions for immigration) to come up with the plans.



Kasich on the other hand has gone the exact opposite direction (in the first 100 days of my administration we will get amnesty passed). The establishment is so out of touch I think they believe they actually are popular and everyone likes them. Meanwhile they listen to every thing the dems tell them and take it for gospel. As if the dems would ever give them good advice. And even if they tried their advice would still be wrong!



Quinn's first and second law of liberalism

1. Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.

2. A liberal is someone who stands on his head and tells the world its upside down.
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Mars
imuakahuku wrote:
I wish that is what had happened, but Kasich won't because the plan is to give the nomination to him at the convention. I wish Cruz would see that that is what they are planning. The establishment is not getting behind him. They are trying to use him to keep the nom from Trump and then they will give it to Kasich.

Interesting, because Romney clearly wants that nomination.
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imuakahuku
Mars wrote:
I wish that is what had happened, but Kasich won't because the plan is to give the nomination to him at the convention. I wish Cruz would see that that is what they are planning. The establishment is not getting behind him. They are trying to use him to keep the nom from Trump and then they will give it to Kasich.

Interesting, because Romney clearly wants that nomination.


Yeah he clearly wants it but it is too late. Especially since Kasich won Ohio. They are going to try and use that to explain why they are giving him the nomination. It would be way harder to explain giving it to Romney and the two are pretty much interchangeable. Now the GOP is saying the delegates don't have to wait until the second vote to vote for whoever they want. Doesn't that make you feel warm and fuzzy that these people who are so much smarter than us will make the best choices for us, even when we think we know what we want. Boy those people in DC are so grand. I think they all deserve a raise. :utard:



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Schmoe
Kasich is a bum. If this happens, the Republican brass need to be ousted.
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bigbluepuma
snoscythe wrote:
Trump is a salesman first and foremost--right now he is selling himself to the angry right. THIS IS AS CONSERVATIVE AS HE'S EVER GOING TO BE, and he's not that conservative (see: comments about how Planned Parenthood does good work, the individual mandate needs to stay, etc.). If and when he secures the GOP nomination, his focus will change to making a sale with the rest of America, and he will skew to the left. He's selling snake oil, and only those blinded by anger are buying it.


Well spoken, Sno. Trump is a dangerous man. We are in trouble in a big way if Trump, Hillary or Sanders get into office. I believe that the only reason Trump left the Democratic Party is that he saw more opportunity for himself in the Republican Party.
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BroncoBot
bigbluepuma wrote:
Trump is a salesman first and foremost--right now he is selling himself to the angry right. THIS IS AS CONSERVATIVE AS HE'S EVER GOING TO BE, and he's not that conservative (see: comments about how Planned Parenthood does good work, the individual mandate needs to stay, etc.). If and when he secures the GOP nomination, his focus will change to making a sale with the rest of America, and he will skew to the left. He's selling snake oil, and only those blinded by anger are buying it.


Well spoken, Sno. Trump is a dangerous man. We are in trouble in a big way if Trump, Hillary or Sanders get into office. I believe that the only reason Trump left the Democratic Party is that he saw more opportunity for himself in the Republican Party.


probably true, but it should not be the republican party leadership deciding who is going to run as their puppet. Why go through this dog and pony show called the primaries if you're going to throw out the votes and put Romney or Kasich or any other candidate X who couldn't win a dang thing in the primaries. You do that and your election is OVER AGAIN YOU DUMBIES. How you lost to obama in 2012 is still a huge mystery. Obama set all sorts of records for ways he SHOULD NOT HAVE WON that election and you idiots fumbled it away.
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Mars
BroncoBot wrote:
probably true, but it should not be the republican party leadership deciding who is going to run as their puppet. Why go through this dog and pony show called the primaries if you're going to throw out the votes and put Romney or Kasich or any other candidate X who couldn't win a dang thing in the primaries. You do that and your election is OVER AGAIN YOU DUMBIES. How you lost to obama in 2012 is still a huge mystery. Obama set all sorts of records for ways he SHOULD NOT HAVE WON that election and you idiots fumbled it away.

Trump can't win either. Even Utah would vote for Hillary Clinton.
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