No doubt Clinton is bad. But Trump is still worse for me. This article sums it up well

BlueK wrote:

As our friend here Hawkwing said in a different thread, if Trump can so easily threaten Muslims, he could easily turn on Mormons as well.

100% paranoid hogwash. Ridiculous crap - based on nothing.

Ddawg wrote:

As our friend here Hawkwing said in a different thread, if Trump can so easily threaten Muslims, he could easily turn on Mormons as well.

100% paranoid hogwash. Ridiculous crap - based on nothing.

Hopefully you're right about this specific point. But the concern about Trump and religious freedom is hardly based on nothing. It's based on things Trump has said that strongly indicate he doesn't care about the bill of rights. Please read the articles I posted and comment specifically on those points if you want. The Constitutional reasons for opposing Trump are not frivolous and are being made by many republicans, conservatives and libertarians who are very concerned about the seeming lack of respect Trumps numerous comments have toward basic Constitutional principles. Yes, I'm worried about what he might do with Presidential power. Senator Cruz couldn't endorse him last night.

Let's be honest, Trump isn't threatening Muslims because of their belief in the prophet Mohammad and their adherence to the Qu'ran. Trump is "threatening" Muslims because the preponderance of terrorist attacks around the world are being perpetrated by Muslims.



If the majority of terror attacks were led by Tibetan monks seeking independence from communist China he would probably be calling for a ban on Tibetan people. If the majority of terrorists were Filipinos he'd be threatening them.



His "threats" towards Muslims isn't based on religious beliefs.

BlueK wrote:

BlueK wrote:

As our friend here Hawkwing said in a different thread, if Trump can so easily threaten Muslims, he could easily turn on Mormons as well.

100% paranoid hogwash. Ridiculous crap - based on nothing.

BlueK wrote:

Hopefully you're right about this specific point.

Hopefully? I have no idea what you life's experience is - but you're entering the realm of black helicopters and tin foil hats.



Big question - why does Trump want to stop the immigration of Muslim's?



Answer - Because radical Muslim's have declared war on the U.S. We need to stop the immigration flow of Muslim's, and people from predominantly Muslim nations until we can revamp the immigration process and properly, throughly, effectively "vet" people and find out who they really are before they enter the U.S. and slaughter innocent Americans. France ring a bell?



Is Trump picking on Muslim's? He is not singing out a faith. He is singling out the source of the radical terrorists that have declared war on western civilization - radical jihadi Islam.



Your concerns about Trump picking on Mormon's is baseless.



If Cruz did n to have the class to endorse Trump last night (as he did not), he should not have spoken at the RNC. It was classless. Cruz's actions last night hurt him the same way Christie's hug of Obama just before the 2012 election hurt him in 2016. Both men showed poor judgment.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Let's be honest, Trump isn't threatening Muslims because of their belief in the prophet Mohammad and their adherence to the Qu'ran. Trump is "threatening" Muslims because the preponderance of terrorist attacks around the world are being perpetrated by Muslims.



If the majority of terror attacks were led by Tibetan monks seeking independence from communist China he would probably be calling for a ban on Tibetan people. If the majority of terrorists were Filipinos he'd be threatening them.



His "threats" towards Muslims isn't based on religious beliefs.

Bingo! Thank Heaven, a clear thinking mind! Praise Allah!!!! 8) :lol:

Sacrifice Liberty for safety. Got it.

Ddawg wrote:

Let's be honest, Trump isn't threatening Muslims because of their belief in the prophet Mohammad and their adherence to the Qu'ran. Trump is "threatening" Muslims because the preponderance of terrorist attacks around the world are being perpetrated by Muslims.



If the majority of terror attacks were led by Tibetan monks seeking independence from communist China he would probably be calling for a ban on Tibetan people. If the majority of terrorists were Filipinos he'd be threatening them.



His "threats" towards Muslims isn't based on religious beliefs.

Bingo! Thank Heaven, a clear thinking mind! Praise Allah!!!! 8) :lol:

Many inside the convention shouted "traitor" when Cruz didn't endorse as Trump shook his fist in anger. What punishment do you propose for that shameful act? Should we give Cruz the death penalty?

BlueK wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:
Let's be honest, Trump isn't threatening Muslims because of their belief in the prophet Mohammad and their adherence to the Qu'ran. Trump is "threatening" Muslims because the preponderance of terrorist attacks around the world are being perpetrated by Muslims.



If the majority of terror attacks were led by Tibetan monks seeking independence from communist China he would probably be calling for a ban on Tibetan people. If the majority of terrorists were Filipinos he'd be threatening them.



His "threats" towards Muslims isn't based on religious beliefs.

Bingo! Thank Heaven, a clear thinking mind! Praise Allah!!!! 8) :lol:

Many inside the convention shouted "traitor" when Cruz didn't endorse as Trump shook his fist in anger. What punishment do you propose for that shameful act? Should we give Cruz the death penalty?

Ok, now you've gone from the world of "black helicopters and tin foil hats" to the world of "ridiculous & looney."



Ted Cruz is a very smat guy that did a really stupid thin on a national stage. He should have taken the high road, as Ronald Reagan did in 1976. Gerald Ford won the nomination with 1,121delegates. Ronald Reagan came in a close 2nd with 1,078 delegates. Ronald Reagan did not act like Ted Cruz. Reagan had class.



Let's step back from the ledge and back into 2012. Let's imagine we are on the floor of the 2012 RNC presidential conventional in Tampa, Florida. Mitt Romney is the presumptive nominee. Mitt won 42 primaries and 10 million popular votes. Rick Santorum came is a distant 2nd. He won 11 primaries, and essentially 4 million votes (actually, he got 3,932,069 vote if you want to get picky).



No question Santorum was seriously disappointed he did not win the primary nomination. He wasn't the presidency badly. I think he has run 3x. Imagine how all the Utah folks would have felt id Santorum had a small but loud contingency at the RNC thing to change the runes and get Romney tossed out as the nominee because they did not like him for whatever reason. Then, imagine Santorum addressing the RNC, from prime time, on national TV, and refusing to endorse Mitt Romney, and telling everyone to "vote their conscience" instead of for Mitt Romney. It would be outrageous. Mitt Romney won the nomination "fair and square." He deserves the support of candidates that lost - as tough as that is - and the support of the GOP faithful - because he won the primary process and he is "our guy." Like him or not, Mitt won the title of GOP presidential nominee.



Fast forward to 2016. Instead of Mitt Romney we have a guy named Donald Trump. Same scenario. He won the nomination "fair and square." Like him or not, he is the GOP presidential nominee. You do not try to embarrass or upstage the GOP nominee at his presidential conventional. It shows a lack of class and a lack of unity in a serious struggle to save this teetering nation.



If Cruz had any integrity and respect for the established process - he would have honored his pledge to support the GOP nominee. Knowing he was not going to keep his word, Cruz should have declined the speaking spot last night rather than try to upstage the GOP nominee. Cruz only hurt himself.

Trump may have won more votes than any other previous GOP candidate in the primaries, but he also won the lowest percentage of GOP primary voters since Richard Nixon in 1968.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Trump may have won more votes than any other previous GOP candidate in the primaries, but he also won the lowest percentage of GOP primary voters since Richard Nixon in 1968.

Like Trump or not - he still won the GOP primary process and the nomination - fair and square. Time to move on and defeat Hillary.

Ddawg wrote:

Trump may have won more votes than any other previous GOP candidate in the primaries, but he also won the lowest percentage of GOP primary voters since Richard Nixon in 1968.

Like Trump or not - he still won the GOP primary process and the nomination - fair and square. Time to move on and defeat Hillary.

I know. I was just pointing out that Trumpkins seem to think that their orange nominee has a mandate due an unprecedented level of support from GOP voters and that's not really the case. The manner in which this convention has played out shows just how poor a nominee he is. Trump did win fair and square, but let's not pretend that he has a united party behind him.



For the record, I am now an unaffiliated voter, and do not think Trump will beat Hillary.

SpiffCoug wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:
Trump may have won more votes than any other previous GOP candidate in the primaries, but he also won the lowest percentage of GOP primary voters since Richard Nixon in 1968.

Like Trump or not - he still won the GOP primary process and the nomination - fair and square. Time to move on and defeat Hillary.

I know. I was just pointing out that Trumpkins seem to think that their orange nominee has a mandate due an unprecedented level of support from GOP voters and that's not really the case. The manner in which this convention has played out shows just how poor a nominee he is. Trump did win fair and square, but let's not pretend that he has a united party behind him.



For the record, I am now an unaffiliated voter, and do not think Trump will beat Hillary.

Yes Trump does have a partially divided DOP party behind him. Just as Hillary had a divided Dem party after her win. The difference is - Bernie Sanders did bury the hatchet and did endorse Hillary - as painful as that was. Ted Cruz showed less class than Bernie Sanders and has exacerbated the divide.



Interesting, Charles Krauthammer called Ted Cruz's speech at the RNC yesterday the longest political suicide note in political history. Folks in the GOP will not forget it. Politics and sports are tough games, you don't always win. You must shake hands and move on.

Good for Ted Cruz. Trump is scum.

I apologize to all the pond-scum I inadvertently offended with my last post.

Mars wrote:
I apologize to all the pond-scum I inadvertently offended with my last post.

Nice Christian attitude - calling folks that exercise their Constitutionally protected 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of association, freedom of assembly and and petition - pond scum. These freedoms as defined by the Supreme Court, includes freedom of political thought and political expression. Except in the world of Mars - where you are pond scum and a Nazi if you exercise that Constitutional right. A fine Christ-like attitude.

SpiffCoug wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:
Trump may have won more votes than any other previous GOP candidate in the primaries, but he also won the lowest percentage of GOP primary voters since Richard Nixon in 1968.

Like Trump or not - he still won the GOP primary process and the nomination - fair and square. Time to move on and defeat Hillary.

I know. I was just pointing out that Trumpkins seem to think that their orange nominee has a mandate due an unprecedented level of support from GOP voters and that's not really the case. The manner in which this convention has played out shows just how poor a nominee he is. Trump did win fair and square, but let's not pretend that he has a united party behind him.



For the record, I am now an unaffiliated voter, and do not think Trump will beat Hillary.

welcome to the unaffiliated/independence party. I've been here about 8 years. while the platform of the Republican party appeals to me, their actions don't seem to follow suit very often.

Ok, I know I started this thread, but my point really isn't arguing one over the other, because It's like arguing whether it's better to die of cancer, stroke or a heart attack. The two-party system has utterly failed. It's time to vote outside of it.

Schmoe wrote:
Also, another body in the Clintons' wake. Democratic official who blew the whistle on fraud in the primaries was conveniently murdered this week.



The Clintons are EVIL. Make no mistake about that. Bill flying around on the lolita plane, Hillary making backdoor weapons deals with extremists regimes who hate us, and people who get in the Clintons' way ending up dead.



I'm not personally voting for Trump, but he's nowhere near the level of evil that the Clintons are.

AND ANoTHER!!! (rhetorical question) why isn't the media ALL OVER this? It's the stuff pulitzers are made of.



https://www.reddit.com/r/DNCleaks/comments/4w3ewh/august_2nd_2016_shawn_lucas_dead_lead_attorney/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/breaking-lead-attorney-dnc-fraud-case-found-dead-1-week-serving-dnc-papers/



I'm sure it's all coincidence...

BroncoBot wrote:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/breaking-lead-attorney-dnc-fraud-case-found-dead-1-week-serving-dnc-papers/



I'm sure it's all coincidence...

There's no doubt about it, the Clintons are political mafiosos. Yes, Trump might say anything to get elected, but the Clintons will DO anything=pure evil.