Time to Re-assess Trump's Chances

I am a #NeverTrump, but I could see Trump winning. One thing that I think he could do that could bring voters like me around to him is to double down on the offer he gave Kasich.



Reports say that Trump offered Kasich the VP job. And as VP, Kasich would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy while the Donald would be in charge of "Making America Great Again."



Basically if Trump were to come out and say he would be in charge of branding and marketing while Pence would be the de facto president I could consider voting for him.



I also think Trump could win because Hillary is a truly awful candidate and person. She could be in real trouble with the emails she deleting coming to light.

SpiffCoug wrote:

...... I could see Trump winning.

To the great disappointment of so many here on "CC", Trump is going to win. Her corruption and dishonesty are self evident and nauseating.



With the DNC convention 3/4 off, and after the Dem's brought out their biggest guns (Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, and Barack Hussein "Ali-Baba" Obama) - Trump has opened up his widest lead. Trump continues to climb and Hillary continues to sink.

L.A. Times Poll:

Trump 47.4%

Hillary 40.1%

SpiffCoug wrote:

Reports say that Trump offered Kasich the VP job. And as VP, Kasich would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy while the Donald would be in charge of "Making America Great Again." Basically if Trump were to come out and say he would be in charge of branding and marketing while Pence would be the de facto president I could consider voting for him.

Yes Trump did offer Kasich the VP position. Yes he should have taken it. Trump will never say he is not "the boss." However, that is exactly what is going to happen. Trump recognizes, appreciates, understands and values talent. That's how he has built his extremely successful real estate/construction business. I suspect with Kasich and Newt Gingrich will be offered substantial positions in the Trump administration (Sec. of State, cabinet positions, etc.) It's exactly what Lincoln did - "Team of Rivals."

SpiffCoug wrote:

I also think Trump could win because Hillary is a truly awful candidate and person. She could be in real trouble with the emails she deleting coming to light.

Yes Hillary is an awful candidate - chronically corrupt and dishonest.

Here's the problem: at this point, you can't believe that #NeverTrump and #NeverHillary can both come to fruition. I won't vote for either of them, but it doesn't mean that I don't realize that one of them will end up as president and that I know which one I'd rather have.

So, Trump can win without me?



There goes the GOP's leverage to try and guilt me out of a third-party or write-in ballot.



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Schmoe wrote:
Here's the problem: at this point, you can't believe that #NeverTrump and #NeverHillary can both come to fruition. I won't vote for either of them, but it doesn't mean that I don't realize that one of them will end up as president and that I know which one I'd rather have.

If you vote for someone with principles the Lord will bless the country more even if that candidate doesn't win, than if you vote for an evil person in order to prevent an equally or more or less evil person to win. According to President Benson at least.

There was some question if that is a real quote or just a tweet that was crafted together.

scott715 wrote:
There was some question if that is a real quote or just a tweet that was crafted together.

I have yet to see a quote from any general authority that has ever said:



"Compromise your values, choose evil over good and it will benefit you in the long run."



For any reason.

hawkwing wrote:

There was some question if that is a real quote or just a tweet that was crafted together.

I have yet to see a quote from any general authority that has ever said:



"Compromise your values, choose evil over good and it will benefit you in the long run."



For any reason.

How about Nephi compromising his values and beading Laban? Circumstances dictate actions. It all has to be taken in context.

Ddawg wrote:

scott715 wrote:
There was some question if that is a real quote or just a tweet that was crafted together.

I have yet to see a quote from any general authority that has ever said:



"Compromise your values, choose evil over good and it will benefit you in the long run."



For any reason.

How about Nephi compromising his values and beading Laban? Circumstances dictate actions. It all has to be taken in context.

You'll notice I have been the one on multiple threads asking and pleading with people to get on their knees and sincerely pray about their vote. I'm sure if the Lord wants us to commit the murder of American values he will make it known via strong, unmistakable revelation, just as with Nephi.



It's Trump's supporters who have had the outburst about anyone urging people to vote their conscious.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:

There was some question if that is a real quote or just a tweet that was crafted together.

I have yet to see a quote from any general authority that has ever said:



"Compromise your values, choose evil over good and it will benefit you in the long run."



For any reason.

How about Nephi compromising his values and beading Laban? Circumstances dictate actions. It all has to be taken in context.

You'll notice I have been the one on multiple threads asking and pleading with people to get on their knees and sincerely pray about their vote. I'm sure if the Lord wants us to commit the murder of American values he will make it known via strong, unmistakable revelation, just as with Nephi.



It's Trump's supporters who have had the outburst about anyone urging people to vote their conscious.

Murdering American values? LOL! You are way off base on that one. Nice twisted logic - and ignore my question. If the Lord and the LDS Church was concerned about murdering American values, Harry Reid would have been struck dead a long time ago. Especially when Harry Reid lied on the floor of the Senate about Mitt Romney not paying his taxes. No one is more skilled at lying, twisting, circumventing, and "murdering" American values than Harry Reid. When he was Senate Majority Leader he literally brought the legislative process to a grinding halt for years - then blamed to on the Republicans - a horrendous lie.



Life is rarely so neatly packaged - so black and white. Most of life functions in the gray area, and that's why dilemma's exist.



Nothing is more black and white than the 6th Commandment: Thou shalt not murder/kill. Yet Nephi is commanded to kill a completely defenseless man. After Nephi brutally slaughters Laban, he uses deception to steal property (violating the 8th Commandment - Thou shalt not steal).



What happens when you kill someone and you have not received a revelation as Nephi did? Soldiers do. Police Officers do. My wife has a girlfriend who 10-12 years ago had a burglar break into their home. Their 15 year old son was woken up by what he thought was a scream - but he wasn't sure. He loaded his deer rifle (which happened to be in his closet) and quietly crept down to his parents bedroom. He looked inside and found a guy wearing a ski mask, with a knife, and finishing tying up his parents. The kid shot and killed the guy - no conversation - didn't tell him to drop the knife - just shot and killed him. He didn't receive a revelation to kill the obvious thief. Should he have killed the guy? Would the thief dropped the knife if confronted with a gun - most likely. We'll never really know. It's a gray area, a judgement call.



Rarely does anyone receive a revelation directly from the Lord (as Nephi did) to break a direct commandment, or take a specific action - such as voting. I think your ridiculous response is just that - ridiculous. But, I've notice you #Never Trump guys do like hyperbole.

Haha.

hawkwing wrote:
Haha.

It's no joking matter. Obviously you have nothing to offer other than over the top hyperbole and conjecture.

Pray about it and vote your conscious.



That's what I will do.

Trump is evil. Hillary is evil. Voting for either is reprehensible.

Mars wrote:
Trump is evil. Hillary is evil. Voting for either is reprehensible.

It's nice to live in a world lemon drops, candy canes, and unicorns. If life were only perfect.

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The Quote:



“If you vote for the lesser of two evils you are still voting for evil and you will be judged for it. You should always vote for the best possible candidate, whether they have a chance of winning or not, and then, even if the worst possible candidate wins, the Lord will bless our country more because more people were willing to stand up for what is right.”



Who said it? Ezra Taft Benson



No, who really said it? Possibly no one.



This quote does not originate from any talk or official document, but rather, an account given by Mike Thompson in an online forum from 2009. If you’re wondering who Mike Thompson is, no one really knows. Except for Teri.

So it's possible it was said, it's possible it wasn't.



But what has clearly been said time and again, is to prayerfully consider your options and follow your conscious and the Lord will guide you.

hawkwing wrote:

So it's possible it was said, it's possible it wasn't.

Baloney. I guarantee 100% that Ezra Taft Benson did make that statement. Ezra Taft Benson did not issue an official opinion with a fake pen name of "Mike Thompson" on some blog, from the spirit world. Remember, this "blog" post was in 2009. Ezra Taft Benson died in 1994. No talk or official statement has connected Ezra Taft Benson with did statement. It did not not happen.

Ddawg wrote:

So it's possible it was said, it's possible it wasn't.

Baloney. I guarantee 100% that Ezra Taft Benson did make that statement. Ezra Taft Benson did not issue an official opinion with a fake pen name of "Mike Thompson" on some blog, from the spirit world. Remember, this "blog" post was in 2009. Ezra Taft Benson died in 1994. No talk or official statement has connected Ezra Taft Benson with did statement. It did not not happen.

Whether President Benson said it or not is a side issue. The statement is worth considering on its merits. As for me, I'm not voting for either of them. They are unworthy to be President and will both in their own arrogance, pride, and idiocy propel us further down the road to the demise of our nation.

BoiseBYU wrote:

hawkwing wrote:

So it's possible it was said, it's possible it wasn't.

Baloney. I guarantee 100% that Ezra Taft Benson did make that statement. Ezra Taft Benson did not issue an official opinion with a fake pen name of "Mike Thompson" on some blog, from the spirit world. Remember, this "blog" post was in 2009. Ezra Taft Benson died in 1994. No talk or official statement has connected Ezra Taft Benson with did statement. It did not not happen.

Whether President Benson said it or not is a side issue. The statement is worth considering on its merits. As for me, I'm not voting for either of them. They are unworthy to be President and will both in their own arrogance, pride, and idiocy propel us further down the road to the demise of our nation.

I disagree. It's not worth considering if it's fraudulent. It is not scripture. It's not a statement from a prophet or one of the Apostles. It's a fabricated statement from an anonymous dude.



Regardless of what anyone thinks of Hillary or Trump, they are the only 2 candidates that have a chance to be elected president. Voting for one of the 3rd party candidates might make you feel good. But none of them have a chance to occupy the oval office. This election cycle is too important to sit on the sidelines or flush your vote down the toilet. This nation is sadly filled with apathetic, dishonest, selfish and stupid people. It's difficult to watch a great nation enter it's death spiral.



With that - I am done. Best wishes.