Starting to lean towards Evan McMullin for President

nuk13 wrote:
At this point I am voting my conscience and will be voting for Trump. He just helped me by saying he'll work for term limits. Until he is able to do this I will not be voting for incumbents like Mike Crapo and Mike Simpson. Trump is also a businessman rather than a politician.



I would also have liked to have had Scott Walker even though he is a politician. He stood up to the unions. I liked Dr. Carson too but not enough people voted for either of them.



The more this political thing boils the more it comes to me that incumbency is one of the worst things that has happened to this country politically.

gerrymandered congressional districts is the worst thing that has happened to the country. That's what causes the incumbency

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Ummm...doesn't this kind of go to show he tilts it towards Clinton? Blocks Trump--as is his stated intent, and sends it to the House with Hillary holding more electoral votes (i.e. the higher ground)?



Not voting for any one of the three, but this just kind of furthers my squeamish vibe about McMullin--the guy who never managed or ran anything but wants to run a country.

what does the higher ground even mean? The House can vote for whoever they want. And in this case it's one vote per state. So Hillary would have a really hard time winning because her electoral votes would come from many fewer states. And the reps from those non-Hillary states would be afraid of upsetting their constituents by voting for Hillary.



All a moot point anyway. Hillary will win easily. There is no point in voting for Trump if you don't really like him because he has no chance at this point anyway.

snoscythe wrote:

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Ummm...doesn't this kind of go to show he tilts it towards Clinton? Blocks Trump--as is his stated intent, and sends it to the House with Hillary holding more electoral votes (i.e. the higher ground)?



Not voting for any one of the three, but this just kind of furthers my squeamish vibe about McMullin--the guy who never managed or ran anything but wants to run a country.

Was thinking the same thing, but I'm done wasting energy on you Utahns. :utard:

Hillary won the election back in May when the GOP voters failed to stop Trump in the Indiana primaries. She almost lost at the convention, but the GOP leaders failed to remove Trump.

Another example (that I've brought up here) of Republicans missing a YUGE opportunity to strike a blow to the Democrats. Another example of the press and Americans in general to apply double standards when it comes to the Clintons. It's a chance to pull Clinton's old skeletons out of the closet, it's a chance to expose the "racist" double standard in prosecuting and taking seriously accusations against whites vs blacks. This was was pure gold from a Republican PR standpoint. And they never brought it up once.



Bill vs Bill

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/team-hillary-feared-bill-clinton-cosby-comparisons/

BroncoBot wrote:
Another example (that I've brought up here) of Republicans missing a YUGE opportunity to strike a blow to the Democrats. Another example of the press and Americans in general to apply double standards when it comes to the Clintons. It's a chance to pull Clinton's old skeletons out of the closet, it's a chance to expose the "racist" double standard in prosecuting and taking seriously accusations against whites vs blacks. This was was pure gold from a Republican PR standpoint. And they never brought it up once.



Bill vs Bill

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/team-hillary-feared-bill-clinton-cosby-comparisons/

In 2012, nominating Romney was a mistake - if only for the fact that because he was the "owner" of RomneyCare he wouldn't be able to properly prosecute the case against Obama and the debacle that is ObamaCare.



So, when faced with the prospect of running against a corrupt, deceitful, liar like Hillary Clinton who has all kinds of skeletons in the closet, the GOP decides to nominate someone who couldn't properly prosecute the case against her corruption, lies and animosity towards women.



The GOP and its voters have blown two straight elections by nominating a candidate that couldn't win.

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hawkwing wrote:

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Ummm...doesn't this kind of go to show he tilts it towards Clinton? Blocks Trump--as is his stated intent, and sends it to the House with Hillary holding more electoral votes (i.e. the higher ground)?



Not voting for any one of the three, but this just kind of furthers my squeamish vibe about McMullin--the guy who never managed or ran anything but wants to run a country.

Was thinking the same thing, but I'm done wasting energy on you Utahns. :utard:

Speaking of Utah Republicans voting for McMullin. Over the past several weeks, I've had dozens of people talk to me at work, text me, call me, and neighbors talk to me. They know I am LDS and have close ties to Utah.



Theses folks are my fellow Conservative friends. They all see what is going on in Utah with the McMullin vote. They are dumbfounded. They ask: "What are those Utah Mormons doing? Voting for a guy that has no chance of winning. All they are doing is taking away votes from Trump and helping Hillary." I respond that they are taking a "moral" stance and voting their conscience. Then they ask - using one of the following: "Are they stupid? Idiots? Foolish? Morons? They are proving nothing and sending no message to anyone. They're just helping Hillary."



I know you guys voting for McMullin think you are taking the moral high ground. I'm just telling you how it is being viewed by loyal GOP voters in CA. They think your brains have short circuited.

Ddawg wrote:

snoscythe wrote:

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Ummm...doesn't this kind of go to show he tilts it towards Clinton? Blocks Trump--as is his stated intent, and sends it to the House with Hillary holding more electoral votes (i.e. the higher ground)?



Not voting for any one of the three, but this just kind of furthers my squeamish vibe about McMullin--the guy who never managed or ran anything but wants to run a country.

Was thinking the same thing, but I'm done wasting energy on you Utahns. :utard:

Speaking of Utah Republicans voting for McMullin. Over the past several weeks, I've had dozens of people talk to me at work, text me, call me, and neighbors talk to me. They know I am LDS and have close ties to Utah.



Theses folks are my fellow Conservative friends. They all see what is going on in Utah with the McMullin vote. They are dumbfounded. They ask: "What are those Utah Mormons doing? Voting for a guy that has no chance of winning. All they are doing is taking away votes from Trump and helping Hillary." I respond that they are taking a "moral" stance and voting their conscience. Then they ask - using one of the following: "Are they stupid? Idiots? Foolish? Morons? They are proving nothing and sending no message to anyone. They're just helping Hillary."



I know you guys voting for McMullin think you are taking the moral high ground. I'm just telling you how it is being viewed by loyal GOP voters in CA. They think your brains have short circuited.

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

BoiseBYU wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's not over till it's over.



There is only 1 GOP candidate that has a chance to keep the most corrupt and dishonest political family out of the White House - that is Donald Trump - potty mouth and all. Voting for any other candidate is a vote for Hillary. The GOP ran an honest primary (unlike the corrupt, fixed democrat primary). Like it or not, Trump won the GOP nomination through the democratic process - fair and square.

Ddawg wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's not over till it's over.



There is only 1 GOP candidate that has a chance to keep the most corrupt and dishonest political family out of the White House - that is Donald Trump - potty mouth and all. Voting for any other candidate is a vote for Hillary. The GOP ran an honest primary (unlike the corrupt, fixed democrat primary). Like it or not, Trump won the GOP nomination through the democratic process - fair and square.

Oh I fully appreciate that it is not over until it is over. I do not even think the fat lady is warming up yet. And I recognize that Trump won the GOP nomination "fair and square." He is who the Republican Party wants for its candidate to be President....My "let it rest" request is to the Trump supporters telling us we've lost our minds by not voting for Trump and vice versa. It is exhausting and unhelpful.

BoiseBYU wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's good to see Rep. Jason Chaffetz finally came to his senses and is voting for Trump.

Why? Because "HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA."

Ddawg wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's good to see Rep. Jason Chaffetz finally came to his senses and is voting for Trump.

Why? Because "HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA."

Translation: "I was promised a seat on the Steering Committee by the GOP House leadership if I retreated back to Trump."

snoscythe wrote:

BoiseBYU wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's good to see Rep. Jason Chaffetz finally came to his senses and is voting for Trump.

Why? Because "HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA."

Translation: "I was promised a seat on the Steering Committee by the GOP House leadership if I retreated back to Trump."

Notice he also does not and will not endorse him.

hawkwing wrote:

Ddawg wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's good to see Rep. Jason Chaffetz finally came to his senses and is voting for Trump.

Why? Because "HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA."

Translation: "I was promised a seat on the Steering Committee by the GOP House leadership if I retreated back to Trump."

Notice he also does not and will not endorse him.

Meh. That's just semantics ignoring definitions. To endorse means to declare public approval or support of something/someone. Stating publicly that you are voting for one candidate over all other options is a public declaration that you support them--an endorsement. Saying the sky isn't blue doesn't change anything....just makes you look like an idiot. Chaffetz is a squirmy toad.

snoscythe wrote:

snoscythe wrote:

BoiseBYU wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's good to see Rep. Jason Chaffetz finally came to his senses and is voting for Trump.

Why? Because "HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA."

Translation: "I was promised a seat on the Steering Committee by the GOP House leadership if I retreated back to Trump."

Notice he also does not and will not endorse him.

Meh. That's just semantics ignoring definitions. To endorse means to declare public approval or support of something/someone. Stating publicly that you are voting for one candidate over all other options is a public declaration that you support them--an endorsement. Saying the sky isn't blue doesn't change anything....just makes you look like an idiot. Chaffetz is a squirmy toad.

I agree. He should have said he doesn't endorse anyone and not shared who he is voting for.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:

Ddawg wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's good to see Rep. Jason Chaffetz finally came to his senses and is voting for Trump.

Why? Because "HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA."

Translation: "I was promised a seat on the Steering Committee by the GOP House leadership if I retreated back to Trump."

Notice he also does not and will not endorse him.

Meh. That's just semantics ignoring definitions. To endorse means to declare public approval or support of something/someone. Stating publicly that you are voting for one candidate over all other options is a public declaration that you support them--an endorsement. Saying the sky isn't blue doesn't change anything....just makes you look like an idiot. Chaffetz is a squirmy toad.

I agree. He should have said he doesn't endorse anyone and not shared who he is voting for.

...but then he wouldn't get rewarded by Party leadership. He's the new Orrin Hatch. A sleazy beltway politician who Utahns will continue to support not because of who he is, what he stands for, or what he does, but because he holds a nice senior-level position within Congress.

snoscythe wrote:

snoscythe wrote:

snoscythe wrote:

It's good to see Rep. Jason Chaffetz finally came to his senses and is voting for Trump.

Why? Because "HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA."

Translation: "I was promised a seat on the Steering Committee by the GOP House leadership if I retreated back to Trump."

Notice he also does not and will not endorse him.

Meh. That's just semantics ignoring definitions. To endorse means to declare public approval or support of something/someone. Stating publicly that you are voting for one candidate over all other options is a public declaration that you support them--an endorsement. Saying the sky isn't blue doesn't change anything....just makes you look like an idiot. Chaffetz is a squirmy toad.

I agree. He should have said he doesn't endorse anyone and not shared who he is voting for.

...but then he wouldn't get rewarded by Party leadership. He's the new Orrin Hatch. A sleazy beltway politician who Utahns will continue to support not because of who he is, what he stands for, or what he does, but because he holds a nice senior-level position within Congress.

Chaffetz is not the first politician to see if he (or she) can have their cake and eat it too. I think it is self-interested cynicism. But I do not care who he is voting for. If he wants to vote for Trump--well, whatever. I know I'm not.

hawkwing wrote:

Ddawg wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's good to see Rep. Jason Chaffetz finally came to his senses and is voting for Trump.

Why? Because "HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA."

Translation: "I was promised a seat on the Steering Committee by the GOP House leadership if I retreated back to Trump."

Notice he also does not and will not endorse him.

Typical politician trying to "slice it thin." When you vote for someone - it's an endorsement.



You guys have lost sight of how evil and corrupt Hillary really is. Because Trump does not meet your LDS moral standards, you think he would be a horrible president. Not true. Got news for ya - most of the GOP politicians in the USA don't meet LDS moral standards.



Like it or not - play any mind game you want to - a vote taken away from the flawed Trump is helping the corrupt, evil Hillary, and her democrat Gadianton robbers.

Ddawg wrote:

snoscythe wrote:

BoiseBYU wrote:

We can go around and around for a long time on this. There are numerous other GOP voters who think you guys who will vote for Trump no matter what have lost your minds. So let's let it rest.

It's good to see Rep. Jason Chaffetz finally came to his senses and is voting for Trump.

Why? Because "HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA."

Translation: "I was promised a seat on the Steering Committee by the GOP House leadership if I retreated back to Trump."

Notice he also does not and will not endorse him.

Typical politician trying to "slice it thin." When you vote for someone - it's an endorsement.



You guys have lost sight of how evil and corrupt Hillary really is. Because Trump does not meet your LDS moral standards, you think he would be a horrible president. Not true. Got news for ya - most of the GOP politicians in the USA don't meet LDS moral standards.



Like it or not - play any mind game you want to - a vote taken away from the flawed Trump is helping the corrupt, evil Hillary, and her democrat Gadianton robbers.

Your judging why I choose not to vote for Trump is offensive. I know how corrupt HRC is. I happen to believe that your candidate is also corrupt (and unhinged too for that matter). Upon what basis you think you can characterize me is astounding. My choice to not vote for Trump is not the result of some mind game, and your insinuation that I am some self righteous ignoramus is wrong. It says more about you than me. Advocate all you want for Trump, but quit trying to mischaracterize me and the reasons I will not vote for him.