How would you vote?

I don't think Trump is evil. I do think he is a wicked man though.



Hillary is evil.

SpiffCoug wrote:
I don't think Trump is evil. I do think he is a wicked man though.



Hillary is evil.

Is there really a difference between a wicked man and an evil man (or woman)?

I think there is. I associate wickedness more with an individual and their behavior. Evil is the affect on other towards detrimental purposes.

SpiffCoug wrote:
I don't think Trump is evil. I do think he is a wicked man though.



Hillary is evil.

Now that's an interesting distinction Spiff. I'd buy you a steak at Outback and chew the fat over that one. I'd just listen and chew on the bloomin' onion.

SpiffCoug wrote:
I think there is. I associate wickedness more with an individual and their behavior. Evil is the affect on other towards detrimental purposes.

Ok. I see where you're coming from. So when we get to heaven and are at the pearly gates, St Peter can say Boise BYU I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is, you're wicked. But the good news is you're not evil! ;) Cheers to all!

I'm not trying to put words into Spiff's mouth, but perhaps he is thinking of it something like this...



Before Adolf Hitler rose to power and wreaked genocide he was wicked, because he had those thoughts and impulses inside of him. After he did the acts he was evil.



If so, then I could somewhat understand classifying Trump as wicked more so than evil.



Though someone who is a racist, sexist, rapist, psychological liar, sits up all hours of the nights spewing forth hatred is pretty evil in my book.

SpiffCoug wrote:
I think there is. I associate wickedness more with an individual and their behavior. Evil is the affect on other towards detrimental purposes.

I don't know what the difference is. It might be worth the time to look them up. The definitions are not so important as the concepts. This is a wise concept.



Ddawg, Spiff and whoever else, you don't have to chew the fat, just get Idaho beef and potatoes. They're easy to chew. I'd brave the Utah traffic for that.

hawkwing wrote:
I'm not trying to put words into Spiff's mouth, but perhaps he is thinking of it something like this...



Before Adolf Hitler rose to power and wreaked genocide he was wicked, because he had those thoughts and impulses inside of him. After he did the acts he was evil.



If so, then I could somewhat understand classifying Trump as wicked more so than evil.



Though someone who is a racist, sexist, rapist, psychological liar, sits up all hours of the nights spewing forth hatred is pretty evil in my book.

Except, by invoking Hitler, you automatically lose the argument on the Internet.

Ddawg wrote:

I don't think Trump is evil. I do think he is a wicked man though.



Hillary is evil.

Now that's an interesting distinction Spiff. I'd buy you a steak at Outback and chew the fat over that one. I'd just listen and chew on the bloomin' onion.

Let's do it!



Who else is coming the first ever Cougar Corner Outback night? We can all pontificate on politics, BYU football and philosophy. Let's do it next Friday in Orem!

SpiffCoug wrote:

I'm not trying to put words into Spiff's mouth, but perhaps he is thinking of it something like this...



Before Adolf Hitler rose to power and wreaked genocide he was wicked, because he had those thoughts and impulses inside of him. After he did the acts he was evil.



If so, then I could somewhat understand classifying Trump as wicked more so than evil.



Though someone who is a racist, sexist, rapist, psychological liar, sits up all hours of the nights spewing forth hatred is pretty evil in my book.

Except, by invoking Hitler, you automatically lose the argument on the Internet.

Call it Stalin then, which is actually what someone else suggested to me as a reason to vote for him, because he's like Stalin.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
I'm not trying to put words into Spiff's mouth, but perhaps he is thinking of it something like this...



Before Adolf Hitler rose to power and wreaked genocide he was wicked, because he had those thoughts and impulses inside of him. After he did the acts he was evil.



If so, then I could somewhat understand classifying Trump as wicked more so than evil.



Though someone who is a racist, sexist, rapist, psychological liar, sits up all hours of the nights spewing forth hatred is pretty evil in my book.

Except, by invoking Hitler, you automatically lose the argument on the Internet.

Call it Stalin then, which is actually what someone else suggested to me as a reason to vote for him, because he's like Stalin.

Which is even a worse argument....



Where are you getting these comparisons? Hillary's talking points?

hawkwing wrote:

If so, then I could somewhat understand classifying Trump as wicked more so than evil.



Though someone who is a racist .....

Interesting - Trump's national spokesperson for his presidential campaign is an African American female - Karina Pierson. Note, Katrina voted for Obama in 2008. After meeting Donald Trump, she was hired as his campaigns national spokesperson in Nov. 2015. How is this racist?

hawkwing wrote:

..... sexist ......

Hmmmm ..... no doubt Donald Trump has a potty mouth. Let's see, Trump's campaign manager is Kellanne Conway (hired in Aug. 2016). Kellyanne is the 1st female EVER to manage a GOP general election presidential campaign. How is this sexist? Not even perfect golden boy Mitt Romney had a female campaign manager.



Oh yeah - his national spokesperson is female too - (see under the heading - racist).

hawkwing wrote:

..... rapist .....

Has Donald Trump ever been arrested and prosecuted for rape or attempted rape? This is a serious charge not to be taken lightly. I have personally handled numerous rape cases. They are very serious and heinous. I take them seriously. That said - anyone can claim and file a civil complaint in court. A complaint is not proof.



To be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted is a whole other matter. To the best of my knowledge, I have never heard of Donald Trump being arrested or prosecuted for rape. It's very serious to throw that term and accusation around lightly.



If you know of any case where Trump was prosecuted and convicted of rape - please provide that case.

hawkwing wrote:

.... psychological liar ......

I have no idea what a psychological liar is. I guess all lying is psychological in nature.

hawkwing wrote:

.... sits up all hours of the nights spewing forth hatred is pretty evil in my book.

Yep, Trump is a chronic twitter junkie. I don't think it qualifies so much for hate as classic New York smack talk - electronically. He likes TWAR's (twitter wars). So do lots of celebrities, professional athletes, college athletes, it goes on ad-nauseam. It's like a TV show. You don't like it - don't watch.

BroncoBot wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:

I'm not trying to put words into Spiff's mouth, but perhaps he is thinking of it something like this...



Before Adolf Hitler rose to power and wreaked genocide he was wicked, because he had those thoughts and impulses inside of him. After he did the acts he was evil.



If so, then I could somewhat understand classifying Trump as wicked more so than evil.



Though someone who is a racist, sexist, rapist, psychological liar, sits up all hours of the nights spewing forth hatred is pretty evil in my book.

Except, by invoking Hitler, you automatically lose the argument on the Internet.

Call it Stalin then, which is actually what someone else suggested to me as a reason to vote for him, because he's like Stalin.

Which is even a worse argument....



Where are you getting these comparisons? Hillary's talking points?

The Stalin comparison was proposed to me by a Trump supporter.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
I'm not trying to put words into Spiff's mouth, but perhaps he is thinking of it something like this...



Before Adolf Hitler rose to power and wreaked genocide he was wicked, because he had those thoughts and impulses inside of him. After he did the acts he was evil.



If so, then I could somewhat understand classifying Trump as wicked more so than evil.



Though someone who is a racist, sexist, rapist, psychological liar, sits up all hours of the nights spewing forth hatred is pretty evil in my book.

Except, by invoking Hitler, you automatically lose the argument on the Internet.

Call it Stalin then, which is actually what someone else suggested to me as a reason to vote for him, because he's like Stalin.

Which is even a worse argument....



Where are you getting these comparisons? Hillary's talking points?

The Stalin comparison was proposed to me by a Trump supporter.

Must be a hardcore Breitbart kind of guy.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
I'm not trying to put words into Spiff's mouth, but perhaps he is thinking of it something like this...



Before Adolf Hitler rose to power and wreaked genocide he was wicked, because he had those thoughts and impulses inside of him. After he did the acts he was evil.



If so, then I could somewhat understand classifying Trump as wicked more so than evil.



Though someone who is a racist, sexist, rapist, psychological liar, sits up all hours of the nights spewing forth hatred is pretty evil in my book.

Except, by invoking Hitler, you automatically lose the argument on the Internet.

Call it Stalin then, which is actually what someone else suggested to me as a reason to vote for him, because he's like Stalin.

Which is even a worse argument....



Where are you getting these comparisons? Hillary's talking points?

The Stalin comparison was proposed to me by a Trump supporter.

Sounds like you both need to brush up on history.

I think this article is a great response to this thread. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-03/no-you-don-t-have-to-vote-for-clinton-or-trump

BroncoBot wrote:

BroncoBot wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:

I'm not trying to put words into Spiff's mouth, but perhaps he is thinking of it something like this...



Before Adolf Hitler rose to power and wreaked genocide he was wicked, because he had those thoughts and impulses inside of him. After he did the acts he was evil.



If so, then I could somewhat understand classifying Trump as wicked more so than evil.



Though someone who is a racist, sexist, rapist, psychological liar, sits up all hours of the nights spewing forth hatred is pretty evil in my book.

Except, by invoking Hitler, you automatically lose the argument on the Internet.

Call it Stalin then, which is actually what someone else suggested to me as a reason to vote for him, because he's like Stalin.

Which is even a worse argument....



Where are you getting these comparisons? Hillary's talking points?

The Stalin comparison was proposed to me by a Trump supporter.

Sounds like you both need to brush up on history.

I can't imagine a single reason why I would need to brush up on history. Unlike this particular Trump supporter I'm not comparing him to either Hitler or Stalin. As is clear if you carefully read my comments.

Oh, and one more article for the doomsdayers. http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/02/this-is-the-least-important-election-in-our-lifetimes/

Great articles, Sammich. I agree with both.

Mars wrote:
Trump is evil. People who vote for him will make as many excuses as is takes to assuage their conscience.

Please list what makes him evil. And don't be generic. We can use those against 99.9% of those alive.



Also please understand he is more conservative than Hatch, Romney, Rubio, and nearly every other GOPer in office.

But I think the confusion is about conservatism. Unlike Progressive Liberalism, it is not a political ideology. It is based on eternally correct principles (common sense). Those practicing this common sense will find success as long as another doesn't act against it. And that is what this fight is about. Your liberty vs Those who wish to control you. Trump bases his decisions mostly on common sense not on what is best for their ideology or party. This is why all you hear is negativity toward him. He hasn't broken any law. He hasn't committed any treasonous acts. He hasn't done anything politically unethical. Yet people still compare him to being equal or more evil than Hillary - the most corrupt and evil person to ever run for US President. Even worse than JFK and Wilson and that ilk. Say what you want but please don't consider yourself a conservative if you voted Romney but refuse to vote Trump who is the one true conservative candidate. But I guess words hurt and Trump has been mean to people that were being mean to him instead of taking it like Romney did.

It's not just the Sup Ct that is at stake. The second problem is Obamacare. It is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, collapse and allow Dems to come in and create single payer Gov insurance. And if you don't like what's happening now just wait until the gov gets that control. They will be able to outlaw via regulation anything and everything you do. All under the umbrella of protecting the new Gov healthcare. That is just the tip of the iceberg too. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. D.C. Is trying to get all power and if HRC wins they will be very close to doing that.