I've finally caved-let's follow the BSU formula for success

westidahocougar wrote:

Personally what Boise has done can hardly be considered a success, more like status qou. Yes, their football accomplishments are a success, but what they've done in the BCS system is still failure. Look at it this way, Boise is like 25-1 over the last two years. If BYU had gone 12-0 last year, and did not make it to a BCS game (Boise didn't last year) I'd be pissed. And then if BYU went 13-0 this year and did not make it to a title game, then I'd be even more pissed.



The end goal is not making it to a BCS game or even winning a BCS game. The end goal is a title or even a chance to play for the title. Boise has zero chance of making it to a title game with their schedule, BYU should never follow in that path.



Six times non-BCS have made it to a BCS game. Six times they've been undefeated. Six times they've been secluded from a chance at a championship. If BYU did exactly what Boise has done, it will not just be six times, but sixty times. Boise's path is apologetic to the BCS system. BYU's path will truly bust the system as BYU continues to make their schedule as difficult as possible- no cake walks.

Would you consider New Mexico, SDSU, CSU, Utah State, Tulane and Wyoming formidable foes? I think the majority of college football fans would consider games of this caliber cake walks....Its not like BYU is running some sort of gauntlet of elite teams. Lets be honest with ourselves.

Schmoe wrote:

When was the last time Boise State lost to a non-conference non-BCS opponent in the regular season then? Or looking at our terrible home game against Florida State, when was the last time Boise State lost a regular season home game against a BCS opponent? Yeah, we're simply not as good as they are, no matter how we schedule.

Well, they're technically a BCS team, but BSU lost to a 4-win Washington team just two years ago.

snoscythe wrote:

bluebrotha wrote:
Personally what Boise has done can hardly be considered a success, more like status qou. Yes, their football accomplishments are a success, but what they've done in the BCS system is still failure. Look at it this way, Boise is like 25-1 over the last two years. If BYU had gone 12-0 last year, and did not make it to a BCS game (Boise didn't last year) I'd be pissed. And then if BYU went 13-0 this year and did not make it to a title game, then I'd be even more pissed.



The end goal is not making it to a BCS game or even winning a BCS game. The end goal is a title or even a chance to play for the title. Boise has zero chance of making it to a title game with their schedule, BYU should never follow in that path.



Six times non-BCS have made it to a BCS game. Six times they've been undefeated. Six times they've been secluded from a chance at a championship. If BYU did exactly what Boise has done, it will not just be six times, but sixty times. Boise's path is apologetic to the BCS system. BYU's path will truly bust the system as BYU continues to make their schedule as difficult as possible- no cake walks.

Would you consider New Mexico, SDSU, CSU, Utah State, Tulane and Wyoming formidable foes? I think the majority of college football fans would consider games of this caliber cake walks....Its not like BYU is running some sort of gauntlet of elite teams. Lets be honest with ourselves.

Formidable compared to whom? 1-11 Miami of Ohio? 2-10 SJSU? 3-10 NMSU? 4-8 LaTech? 5-7 Tulsa? FCS team UC Davis? Utah State? (By comparison, UNM = 1-11; CSU = 3-9; Tulane = 3-9; SDSU = 4-8; Wyoming = 7-6, and no FCS teams). Cake walks, maybe (just ask your boys at Fresno State), but you have to admit that they are more formidable than BSU's nerf-league opponents. Boise State finished a SOS ranking of #96 (out of 120). BYU finished at #61. Kudos to BSU for having the weakest SOS in the top-25 (PSU was second worst at #71....over 20 places ahead of the formidable-foe-fighting Broncos).



Does SOS matter? Yes. The difference is that when BYU goes 2-0 to open the season, they get ranked #7 and the talk of a shot at a national championship begins. When BSU goes 2-0, they get ranked #10, and the media begin talking about whether they can make the Fiesta Bowl again, and who has to lose for that to happen.



That's how bad the difference in scheduling is. If BYU had gone undefeated this season, they might have ended up #3, with a long-shot (like TCU who had the #60 SOS) at #2. But at least they were part of the discussion. BSU was never part of the national championship discussion. Given the current formula, BSU needs the SEC and Big XII champs to fall down with at least two losses, and all but one of the champions of the ACC, Big East, Big 10, PAC 10 and MWC to have at least one loss before they enter the discussion.



I'm not saying that its fair or not---I still think a 12 team playoff is the best solution, but in a system where the strength of your schedule plays a factor, no team coming out of the WAC will be part of the picture unless everyone else in line ahead of them falls down, or the voters start giving them #1 votes in droves during the season when it matters, not one or two pundits naming them #1 after the season when they are being facetious and ranting against the powers that be.

westidahocougar wrote:

I will agree with you that a BYU or MWC team would probably get the benefit of the doubt as to making it into a BCS game over a BSU. That all changed with the Fiesta Bowl though (at least for Boise) and BSU will most certainly get the benefit of the doubt now when they go undefeated or have one loss. They have earned their respect and will get it now more often than not.

Mars wrote:

Mars wrote:
When was the last time Boise State lost to a non-conference non-BCS opponent in the regular season then? Or looking at our terrible home game against Florida State, when was the last time Boise State lost a regular season home game against a BCS opponent? Yeah, we're simply not as good as they are, no matter how we schedule.

Well, they're technically a BCS team, but BSU lost to a 4-win Washington team just two years ago.

That was a road game.



BYU's last regular season home loss to a BCS team- 2009, against 7-6 Florida State.

Boise State's last regular season home loss to a BCS team- None since 2002.



BYU's last home loss to a conference team- 2009, in a blow-out against TCU, who Boise State beat in their bowl game.

Boise State's last home loss to a conference team- None since 2002.



BYU's last regular season OOC loss to a non-BCS team- 2007, to Tulsa.

Boise State's last regular season OOC loss to a non-BCS team- None since 2002. Including wins @ Utah, @ BYU, vs. BYU, and @ Tulsa.



Scheduling like BSU won't help BYU until BYU is as good as the Broncos are...

westidahocougar wrote:
I agree to an extent. I never said BSU's schedule was great, in fact I think it was boring and deserving of its "weak" argument. I also think that its being pretentious to say the MWC schedule (besides TCU and Utah) is great. It may be better than the WAC, Sun Belt and CUSA, but the reality is that it is also very weak, and the reason the MWC is still a non-BCS conference.



Most of the BYU national championship talk to begin the season was from BYU fans, though there were a few media outlets talking about it. The problem was that it was based on nothing (an offseason of predictions on how good OU was...you have used this same argument against me before....). Had BYU continued to win, and FSU and OU continued to be very mediocre, BYU would not have gotten a sniff of the national championship game, even with an undefeated season. The blueprint for my logic on this was TCU and their failure to make it in.



Its easy to say BYU would have done this or would have done that, but until we actually win all our games and dont take weeks off and have ugly blowout losses, we dont really know what would or could happen.



I will agree with you that a BYU or MWC team would probably get the benefit of the doubt as to making it into a BCS game over a BSU. That all changed with the Fiesta Bowl though (at least for Boise) and BSU will most certainly get the benefit of the doubt now when they go undefeated or have one loss. They have earned their respect and will get it now more often than not.

Schmoe wrote:
To argue that BYU has had better records than BSU lately would be silly. I'm simply saying that BSU hasn't won EVERY game they've played and they haven't taken advantage of EVERY opportunity, just like BYU.