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Steve Cleveland on FB team-- "It's the Culture, Stupid"

by snoscythe · 12/13/2017

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snoscythe
https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46216775&nid=294&title=patrick-kinahan-byus-problems-run-much-deeper-than-coordinators-can-solve


Steve Cleveland wrote:
I don’t know specifically, but the sources that I have and the people that I’ve talked to just said there are some things that need to get cleaned up there.



Guys need to understand where they are and who they are. It’s not like that doesn’t go on year in and year out at BYU. You’re going to have it; young people are going to make mistakes.



Just watching that football team play, it just seemed really undisciplined at times.



I’ve got three or four good friends in the football business that are head coaches right now. All of them watch film on this team and they just felt like there wasn’t the execution, there didn’t seem to be preparation, (and) that was very unlike BYU. I’m not pointing fingers, I’m just telling you what those that I know (said).



The fact is just looking at the overall big picture, the culture is not good there right now at a lot of different levels.



You start with the coaches, and I think those are the things that need to get fixed. Kalani felt like (changing coordinators) was the first thing he wanted to do. My personal opinion is I’m not so sure that was the main issue. I think the bigger issue is there’s a culture there from head coach down, there needs to be some changes made.
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frdbtr
And this is why, even though the offense was really bad, that people feel Ty was a scapegoat. Like I have said before, there was plenty of evidence to support the firing of Ty Detmer but his firing isn't going to fix the problems with this team. The offense may very well be much better next year but they will still find ways to lose games. USU last year being the prime example.
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byufan4ever
Agree with Cleveland and agree with frdbtr.
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snoscythe
When "fun" is your culture goal, other adjectives follow in short course....like "undisciplined" and "unprepared".
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Mars
I had a coach who liked to say that there's two ways to have fun in sports, and that they were mutually exclusive. The first is goofing off. The second is winning.
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BroncoBot
Mars wrote:

I had a coach who liked to say that there's two ways to have fun in sports, and that they were mutually exclusive. The first is goofing off. The second is winning.
snoscythe wrote:

When "fun" is your culture goal, other adjectives follow in short course....like "undisciplined" and "unprepared".


AT least Kalani didn't put football 5th in priorities.

My coach would say "I'm only having fun when I'm winning".
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frdbtr
Everyone on my wrestling team in high school had all sorts of "colorful metaphors" to describe the coach during practice, but when the state championships rolled in, everyone loved him. Whether you are a players coach or not, the team will never succeed unless the coaches demand they work hard and execute with perfection. Last years team didn't look like it was doing that at all. I can tell you one thing, if Grimes is indeed the new Ocoordinator, the Offense will work hard, and the Oline will be really good. Now whether the defense starts getting off the field will be another matter.
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Gunk
Cleveland is a classy guy. I trust his opinion and I'm sure it took some courage to give his opinion as he basically called Kalani out (starts with you, coach).



As much as I like the hire of Grimes, I'm skeptical of Grimes having success with a coach like Kalani at the helm. Kalani comes from subpar, losing programs. Kalani wouldn't know what it takes to win if it came up to him and slapped him the face.
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BroncoBot
Gunk wrote:

Cleveland is a classy guy. I trust his opinion and I'm sure it took some courage to give his opinion as he basically called Kalani out (starts with you, coach).



As much as I like the hire of Grimes, I'm skeptical of Grimes having success with a coach like Kalani at the helm. Kalani comes from subpar, losing programs. Kalani wouldn't know what it takes to win if it came up to him and slapped him the face.


If I'm Grimes, I make certain stipulations before agreeing to this. I'd tell the staff that the offense is not to be messed with and I won't accept any insubordination. My practices may go longer than the rest of the team and the offensive players may be held to different standards than the rest of the team. I'd want my own staff from the top to the bottom. If I don't like Detmer, Mahe, Cahoon, they are gone. If I agree with them on staff, they stay.



I think Grimes, if he really is coming, has a good shot at becoming HC at BYU in a year or two if he plays his cards well and the offense does well. This of course, would reflect well on Kalani and may save him his job.
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Mars
Grimes, if successful on offense, would definitely be a potential future head coach.
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Guest
I have said earlier that if the next OC hire was a hard-nosed, tough coach, there was a very good chance he could end up as the HC in a year or two. Hopefully, Kalani will learn and grow from Grimes' experience and knowledge of big time football and become a successful head coach in his own right.



Of course, Grimes would have to do some soul searching and be converted to the Gospel to become THE Head Coach at BYU.
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Gunk
I'd take Grimes as HC over Kalani right now if we could. Grimes comes from a winning program.
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frdbtr
Grimes is not a mormon and could never be HC at BYU unless he gets baptized and gets his temple recommend before they fire Kalani.
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scott715
We could hope he becomes the defacto HC by running everything and letting KS shake hands and talk to recruits.
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Guest
scott715 wrote:

We could hope he becomes the defacto HC by running everything and letting KS shake hands and talk to recruits.


Essentially making Kalani the Head Hugger and Fan Manager. I like it.
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mtnradio
Steve Cleveland was right ... and brave ... and insightful.


Gunk wrote:



As much as I like the hire of Grimes, I'm skeptical of Grimes having success with a coach like Kalani at the helm. Kalani comes from subpar, losing programs. Kalani wouldn't know what it takes to win if it came up to him and slapped him the face.


I'm not this down on Kalani ... but who else changes will tell us a lot about how much authority Kalani gave him. If the culture doesn't change Grimes (and the rest of the staff) won't have much time left at BYU.
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