Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

Mars wrote:

Good health care and good gun laws aren't bad goals to strive for. America has a long way to go in both.

Please define what "good gun laws" we need to finally control gun related crimes in America. We literally have thousands of gun laws and criminal laws on the books (some have estimated up to 20,000 gun related laws) to punish criminal behavior. Instead of posting in general euphemisms (as liberal democrats do), please be specific and define what a "good gun law" would be. Thank you.

Ddawg wrote:

Ddawg wrote:

Good health care and good gun laws aren't bad goals to strive for. America has a long way to go in both.

So you supported ObamaCare and the individual mandate with all the penalties and fines then. Obama and his minions used RomneyCare as their blueprint. You're a socialist now?

I have a dream—that one day we can have a civil discussion on this board without you descending to name calling. It is toxic.

Being a socialist is toxic. Agree. Look at Venezuela. Look at Greece. If you support ObamaCare, which is state forced purchasing of healthcare, with penalties and fines affixed - that is socialist.



Pretty straight forward. Either you are a socialist and support the full weight and power of the govt. forcing people to comply, or the govt. uses it's power to penalize. Direct and straight forward. I do not support forced govt. healthcare as ObamaCare was and RomneyCare is.

I understand your view, and while I do not agree that Obamacare is “socialist,” at least as that term is understood in the classical sense, I respect a person’s right to have that point of view. I also respect the view that Obamacare is not the best way forward with regards to health care in our country. At least for me, I know it literally saved the life of a family member. But I think reasonable minds can differ. What I do not respect is your name calling and making everything so personal so quickly. You.Do.It.Every.Single.Time. That is what is toxic.

I think obamacare and any govt involvement is only making the healthcare problem infinitely worse in this country. Practitioners/hospitals can charge downright ridiculous pricing and often the govt will pay it. It's a bubble and it's driven by the govt being involved. Just like student loans and govt involvement. Govt acting as a third party payer in medicare and Medicaid has been downright dreadful. The cost is astronomical.

Example: I have ppl come to my office all the time requesting a service which I feels isn't necessary for the majority of them. They could get the service done elsewhere for far cheaper but why not use medicare? I tell them I'll document the findings but according to medicare guidelines, medicare may reject the claim and the patient would be on the hook for the full bill WITHOUT the ability to negotiate the price. Medicare patients cannot negotiate the price of services for cash pricing with a provider who is contracted with Medicare (another huge beef I have with Medicare).

So I submit the claim and some of these ppl come back in 4 months smirking and wanting the same service because it got covered. However, others get denied and then I get a phone call about how expensive it was. "my old doctor never charged that much". Yup, because your old doctor was likely committing fraud to keep a healthy clientele. It's all a huge game. And it sucks. Get the govt out of it and let seniors and patients price out services through open and transparent billing/pricing. It is the same exact attitude I saw in Ukraine with socialism. Ppl there Loved communism because it offered some free stuff. Never mind that 7 million of their countrymen died starving to death at the hands of the state, couldn't practice their religion of choice, and had to stand in bread lines. You had free apartments and occasionally you got a CAR!

BroncoBot wrote:

Look into his time at MA and then when running for president. Two totally different people with different principles.

Is this a good, or bad thing?

To me it shows that he's just like 99% of the other politicians. He's in it of the power and not to "serve" the people.

byufan4ever wrote:

byufan4ever wrote:

Look into his time at MA and then when running for president. Two totally different people with different principles.

Is this a good, or bad thing?

To me it shows that he's just like 99% of the other politicians. He's in it of the power and not to "serve" the people.

I'm afraid you and I agree on brother Romney. He's a man of high moral character I'm sure, but his constantly evolving views to pander to certain audiences make him a run of the mill politician in my book. And for what it's worth I think he's exploiting the Mormon connection in Utah to get elected (which he will, I'm sure). If I was in Utah, I wouldn't be excited about a guy who was a liberal leaning governor in Massachusetts who set in motion universal health care and additional taxes, has been anti 2A, and is now in Utah all of a sudden to run for Senate and so far his big selling point is now to obstruct Trump?



I'm sorry, bit Trump has impressed more than hes let me down in the last year. But I'm not from Utah and will not be voting. Good luck to all.

I don't like carpet baggers anywhere. It will be a shame if Romney wins. This makes him no better than Hillary Clinton running to New York to win an easy election.



Do you guys still caucus for your primaries. That's how Mike Lee beat the other RINO, right? Is there a chance someone who actually believes in freedom can beat Romney?

jvquarterback wrote:
Do you guys still caucus for your primaries. That's how Mike Lee beat the other RINO, right? Is there a chance someone who actually believes in freedom can beat Romney?

Yes, we still caucus, although it has been watered down by a signature-only track to a post-caucus primary ballot.



That said, I don't think anyone is going to stop Mitt. I'm a local precinct chair, and I don't even know the names of any other candidates . . . and we caucus in one month.



Rumored potential opponents are the current state auditor and the guy who made a run at Hatch in 2012. Neither of which would have much of a shot in the caucuses, much less at the primary. Neither has filed to run yet.



The other big rumor floating is that Trump is trying to get Jon Huntsman to make a run for it. That would be a fun battle, but just as mushy a choice as Romney.

snoscythe wrote:

The other big rumor floating is that Trump is trying to get Jon Huntsman to make a run for it. That would be a fun battle, but just as mushy a choice as Romney.

That's almost as bad as a choice between Trump and Clinton.

Good grief. Jon Huntsman. He's squishier than Mitt by quite a bit. Mitt will be a senator representing Utah barring any unforeseen craziness - exempli gratia (ie), being snatched by an invasion of the body snatchers, or Mitt disappearing into the Nevada desert at the next Burning Man.

Donald Trump has endorsed Mitt Romney, so now all you Trump supporters have to support Mitt or you're not making America great.

hawkwing wrote:

Donald Trump has endorsed Mitt Romney, so now all you Trump supporters have to support Mitt or you're not making America great.

And all you Trump haters will have to eat your hyper-criticisms of Trump's commitment to being conservative. The Heritage Foundation says Trump is more conservative than, and achieved more in his 1st year, than Ronald Reagan.



I have always supported Mitt Romney because he was better than the alternative. But he is not a real conservative. He's a squishy Republican and a globalist - per his record in Massachusetts. Hopefully Mitt is not a John McCain clone. Keeping my fingers crossed.



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/heritage-donald-trump-has-achieved-more-than-ronald-reagan-in-first-year/article/2646849

hawkwing wrote:

Donald Trump has endorsed Mitt Romney, so now all you Trump supporters have to support Mitt or you're not making America great.

Hilarious. My loyalty to Trump or Romney extends as far as they'll protect our freedoms. Both are marginal at best. But I'm SOOOOOOOOO glad we didn't get Hillary. The stuff Trump has exposed so far in the FBI and DOJ has been worth any pain caused by Trump. And he's done several good things mixed in with the occasional terrible.

hawkwing wrote:

Donald Trump has endorsed Mitt Romney, so now all you Trump supporters have to support Mitt or you're not making America great.

That is today. Wait until tomorrow. You literally cannot take this man’s word for anything.

BoiseBYU wrote:

Donald Trump has endorsed Mitt Romney, so now all you Trump supporters have to support Mitt or you're not making America great.

That is today. Wait until tomorrow. You literally cannot take this man’s word for anything.

Which I'm used to. He's no different than every president of the last 30 yrs.

Mitt accepting Trump's endorsement may be his worst flip-flop to date.

BoiseBYU wrote:

That is today. Wait until tomorrow. You literally cannot take this man’s word for anything.

Uhhhh, Trump said he would unleash the dogs of war on ISIS and destroy them. Uhhhhh, he did.

Ddawg wrote:

That is today. Wait until tomorrow. You literally cannot take this man’s word for anything.

Uhhhh, Trump said he would unleash the dogs of war on ISIS and destroy them. Uhhhhh, he did.

Yes he did. That is a plus. Surely though you are not using that to defend Trump as a man of his word? He has broken his marriage vows repeatedly; he has broken his contractual agreements repeatedly; he lies daily about elections, immigration, health care, the budget, his opponents, the media, Russia, Muslims, Mexicans, etc. etc. etc. That corpus of lies means when he says he will attack ISIS you cannot be sure he will. The fact that the military has proceeded to carry out that order is wonderful. But rely on Trump to keep his word? Not a chance.

BoiseBYU wrote:

Yes he did. That is a plus. Surely though you are not using that to defend Trump as a man of his word?

Trump is a man of his word when it comes to the rule of law and the constitution.

BoiseBYU wrote:

He has broken his marriage vows repeatedly; he has broken his contractual agreements repeatedly;

I don't care. So did Joseph Smith. He married other women without telling Emma. So technically Joseph Smith did not cheat, because he was married to them. So?

BoiseBYU wrote:

he lies daily about elections, immigration, health care, the budget, his opponents, the media, Russia,

Yawn. I could not care less about all the Trump hating BS. Trump follows the rule of law, he lowers our taxes, he had eliminated and continues to eliminate all kinds of Obama regulations, and he is enforcing our immigration laws. And like it or not, Trump will build the border wall. I could not care less what it costs. Build the damn wall.

BoiseBYU wrote:

.... Muslims, Mexicans, etc. etc. etc. That corpus of lies means when he says he will attack ISIS you cannot be sure he will. The fact that the military has proceeded to carry out that order is wonderful. But rely on Trump to keep his word? Not a chance.

I could not care less what Trump says about Muslims, or illegal Mexicans, or Haitians, etc, etc. What I care about is that Trump cares about taking care of American citizens and our sovereign borders. And he is doing that. You Trump haters will always hate. Nothing is going to change your mind. I could not care less what you and all the other haters on CNN, MCNBC, and the socialist democrats say.

Ddawg wrote:

Yes he did. That is a plus. Surely though you are not using that to defend Trump as a man of his word?

Trump is a man of his word when it comes to the rule of law and the constitution.

BoiseBYU wrote:

He has broken his marriage vows repeatedly; he has broken his contractual agreements repeatedly;

I don't care. So did Joseph Smith. He married other women without telling Emma. So technically Joseph Smith did not cheat, because he was married to them. So?

BoiseBYU wrote:

he lies daily about elections, immigration, health care, the budget, his opponents, the media, Russia,

Yawn. I could not care less about all the Trump hating BS. Trump follows the rule of law, he lowers our taxes, he had eliminated and continues to eliminate all kinds of Obama regulations, and he is enforcing our immigration laws. And like it or not, Trump will build the border wall. I could not care less what it costs. Build the damn wall.

BoiseBYU wrote:

.... Muslims, Mexicans, etc. etc. etc. That corpus of lies means when he says he will attack ISIS you cannot be sure he will. The fact that the military has proceeded to carry out that order is wonderful. But rely on Trump to keep his word? Not a chance.

I could not care less what Trump says about Muslims, or illegal Mexicans, or Haitians, etc, etc. What I care about is that Trump cares about taking care of American citizens and our sovereign borders. And he is doing that. You Trump haters will always hate. Nothing is going to change your mind. I could not care less what you and all the other haters on CNN, MCNBC, and the socialist democrats say.

If you could not care less what I have to say, then why post? Odd. For the record, I am not a Trump hater. Calling out the falsehoods or inanities of the man does not make one a hater. It just means that person has issues regarding statements or actions of the man. And also for the record, I have complimented specific actions his Administration has undertaken. noted above, I applauded the Administration's efforts regarding ISIS. But the bottom line is that, in the words of Mitt Romney, "Trump's words are as worthless as a degree from Trump University."

Mars wrote:

Mitt accepting Trump's endorsement may be his worst flip-flop to date.

He didn't "accept" it. Read what he said. He thanked Trump. He was gracious. It is a slight difference, but still fairly significant.



I'd rather Romney in government to help act as a check on Trump than out of it. DC could use more honorable men like him. Hopefully he leaves before it corrupts him thoroughly.