Jake Toolson = All-American. Yoeli not.

I'll just leave this here:



https://apnews.com/f8c39394a4154829941deea4b257b225

So what's the story on him? The way I remember it he won a 3PT contest during the cougar tipoff activities, was starting for us, and then all of sudden out of the blue he requested a transfer out of here. I heard he had depression issues or something? Please correct my memory with facts!



But yeah not sure how he was on it and Childs was not as an honorable mention.

My understanding was that it was anxiety issues, not depression, that led to the "medical leave of absence" his sophomore year.



Toolson had an odd history -- he accepted a scholarship offer for after his mission, but ended up not serving--same anxiety issues. BYU didn't have any open scholarship spots, but he still came to BYU willing to pay his own way, expecting to see the scholarship materialize after his first two years -- when he was originally expected to show up.



Unfortunately, Nick Emery also changed mission plans, and Rose gave Emery what would have been Toolson's scholarship, leaving Toolson to be a walk-on his Jr. season. Toolson was then asked to redshirt his junior season while paying his own way so he could be a bench contributor behind Haws and Emery in his redshirt junior season.



Rose treated him like a second-class citizen, and I don't blame the kid for jumping ship when his scholarship got handed to another guy and he was told he won't ever be starter with guys coming in off of missions for the next three seasons.

snoscythe wrote:

My understanding was that it was anxiety issues, not depression, that led to the "medical leave of absence" his sophomore year.



Toolson had an odd history -- he accepted a scholarship offer for after his mission, but ended up not serving--same anxiety issues. BYU didn't have any open scholarship spots, but he still came to BYU willing to pay his own way, expecting to see the scholarship materialize after his first two years -- when he was originally expected to show up.



Unfortunately, Nick Emery also changed mission plans, and Rose gave Emery what would have been Toolson's scholarship, leaving Toolson to be a walk-on his Jr. season. Toolson was then asked to redshirt his junior season while paying his own way so he could be a bench contributor behind Haws and Emery in his redshirt junior season.



Rose treated him like a second-class citizen, and I don't blame the kid for jumping ship when his scholarship got handed to another guy and he was told he won't ever be starter with guys coming in off of missions for the next three seasons.

I'd love to hear straight up the exact story on several of these transfers. I've not seen it spoken specifically by them in any interview, so I measure some of what you say tentatively. It seemed to me that Pope picked up a few of BYU's players pretty soon after his move. I trust that he didn't attempt to recruit them, but these were individuals that already had a relationship with him. The Chapman story surprises me the most in that it's been "rumored" that he left when BYU Law School wouldn't allow him to be in the law school and play sports. My experience has been that we'll usually not ever know exactly.

snoscythe wrote:

My understanding was that it was anxiety issues, not depression, that led to the "medical leave of absence" his sophomore year.



Toolson had an odd history -- he accepted a scholarship offer for after his mission, but ended up not serving--same anxiety issues. BYU didn't have any open scholarship spots, but he still came to BYU willing to pay his own way, expecting to see the scholarship materialize after his first two years -- when he was originally expected to show up.



Unfortunately, Nick Emery also changed mission plans, and Rose gave Emery what would have been Toolson's scholarship, leaving Toolson to be a walk-on his Jr. season. Toolson was then asked to redshirt his junior season while paying his own way so he could be a bench contributor behind Haws and Emery in his redshirt junior season.



Rose treated him like a second-class citizen, and I don't blame the kid for jumping ship when his scholarship got handed to another guy and he was told he won't ever be starter with guys coming in off of missions for the next three seasons.

source?

jadesroom wrote:

source?

Folks within the program and pieces from news stories. You're free to believe or disbelieve.

EM_Puma wrote:

My understanding was that it was anxiety issues, not depression, that led to the "medical leave of absence" his sophomore year.



Toolson had an odd history -- he accepted a scholarship offer for after his mission, but ended up not serving--same anxiety issues. BYU didn't have any open scholarship spots, but he still came to BYU willing to pay his own way, expecting to see the scholarship materialize after his first two years -- when he was originally expected to show up.



Unfortunately, Nick Emery also changed mission plans, and Rose gave Emery what would have been Toolson's scholarship, leaving Toolson to be a walk-on his Jr. season. Toolson was then asked to redshirt his junior season while paying his own way so he could be a bench contributor behind Haws and Emery in his redshirt junior season.



Rose treated him like a second-class citizen, and I don't blame the kid for jumping ship when his scholarship got handed to another guy and he was told he won't ever be starter with guys coming in off of missions for the next three seasons.

I'd love to hear straight up the exact story on several of these transfers. I've not seen it spoken specifically by them in any interview, so I measure some of what you say tentatively. It seemed to me that Pope picked up a few of BYU's players pretty soon after his move. I trust that he didn't attempt to recruit them, but these were individuals that already had a relationship with him. The Chapman story surprises me the most in that it's been "rumored" that he left when BYU Law School wouldn't allow him to be in the law school and play sports. My experience has been that we'll usually not ever know exactly.

The Chapman family has essentially come out and said the Law School thing was just a way for BYU to save face.

For whatever reason Toolson left, the story is that Toolson is an All American and he deserves accolades and compliments. Good for him and congratulations. We surely could have used a shooter like him this year....Regardless, good for him.

I believe both Toolson and Chapman would have made BYU a better team. Sam Merrill, a returned missionary at Utah State, was also an All-American.

nuk13 wrote:

I believe both Toolson and Chapman would have made BYU a better team. Sam Merrill, a returned missionary at Utah State, was also an All-American.

Chatman was a loss. His was due to graduating early and the BYU law school not allowing him to be on the team and go to law school.

hawkwing wrote:

The Chapman family has essentially come out and said the Law School thing was just a way for BYU to save face.

Meaning what? What has been spoken of by them specifically as to what happened?

EM_Puma wrote:

The Chapman family has essentially come out and said the Law School thing was just a way for BYU to save face.

Meaning what? What has been spoken of by them specifically as to what happened?

The law school thing was a farce. BYU didn't want him any more. They agreed to let it be known that there were issues with Law School, but it was just BYU moved on to someone else.

The Sports Tweets to the right is reporting that Jake Toolson is expected to be a grad transfer. I'd like to see him come with his coach to BYU.

There are people over at CougarBoard that act as though they know the Toolson's and it would never happen. You never know over there because people sometimes act like they really know, but don't actually. Andy Toolson, his uncle and former BYU great, came with his family to my one daughter's wedding reception because of his association with my son-in-law's father. The Toolson's are a big family and all around us here in Utah Valley and there are those that know the specifics related to the UVU/BYU situation.



I'd say I'd be shocked if he did come to BYU, but time will tell.



Honestly, I'm really surprised. Unless a player has been dissed or sees that there will be no playing time, then stand by your decision and stick with it. To be the POY at a school and then transferring doesn't give the appearance of much stability. Now if he does become a "graduate transfer" and goes to a school in AZ closer to where he is from, that I can understand. But if he goes to USU or Puketah, no, I'm sorry, that's flaky in my book.