I Love Miles as a Person...

absolutely HATE his guts as a basketball player.



Scattered thoughts:



- Jimmer has repeatedly given him great set ups, and he cannot convert

- He's sheepish. Too afraid to go up strong

- When he does shoot, it's some dumba$$ fade away or hook shot

- Butter fingers, can't hold onto a rebound

- Can't box out



I could go on.

Italics wrote:
absolutely HATE his guts as a basketball player.



Scattered thoughts:



- Jimmer has repeatedly given him great set ups, and he cannot convert

- He's sheepish. Too afraid to go up strong

- When he does shoot, it's some dumba$$ fade away or hook shot

- Butter fingers, can't hold onto a rebound

- Can't box out



I could go on.

I love him as a player cause he's a cougar, doing the best he can, and frankly is the best we have.



Keep rocking Miles.

declocoug wrote:

absolutely HATE his guts as a basketball player.



Scattered thoughts:



- Jimmer has repeatedly given him great set ups, and he cannot convert

- He's sheepish. Too afraid to go up strong

- When he does shoot, it's some dumba$$ fade away or hook shot

- Butter fingers, can't hold onto a rebound

- Can't box out



I could go on.

I love him as a player cause he's a cougar, doing the best he can, and frankly is the best we have.



Keep rocking Miles.

Rocking ? 0/3 FG, 1/2 FT, 2 Reb, 2 TO, 2 PF

BYUROCKS wrote:

Italics wrote:
absolutely HATE his guts as a basketball player.



Scattered thoughts:



- Jimmer has repeatedly given him great set ups, and he cannot convert

- He's sheepish. Too afraid to go up strong

- When he does shoot, it's some dumba$$ fade away or hook shot

- Butter fingers, can't hold onto a rebound

- Can't box out



I could go on.

I love him as a player cause he's a cougar, doing the best he can, and frankly is the best we have.



Keep rocking Miles.

Rocking ? 0/3 FG, 1/2 FT, 2 Reb, 2 TO, 2 PF

You guys are right. I forgot that Chris Miles was supposed to put up 20-10 stats every game and never foul and never let any opponent touch the ball. And score every time he touches it. :roll:



He had a bad game. So what? He's also part of the reason BYU is 20-2.

Don't forget his 12-inch vertical!

Someone explain to me why we can't recruit tall, explosive, scoring, shot-blocking true big men like just about every other team (mid-major and non) that I see on TV year after year? Are the ones that go to the U LDS and we're just losing the recruiting battle? I'm telling you, we are a top 5 team with an average 6'10" player who can scare shots, and dunk the ball in traffic. That's the difference between us and the elite.

mizzoucoug wrote:
Someone explain to me why we can't recruit tall, explosive, scoring, shot-blocking true big men like just about every other team (mid-major and non) that I see on TV year after year? Are the ones that go to the U LDS and we're just losing the recruiting battle? I'm telling you, we are a top 5 team with an average 6'10" player who can scare shots, and dunk the ball in traffic. That's the difference between us and the elite.

Before we get ahead of ourselves, let me just ask this. What MWC centers are consistently better than Miles? I really don't know, just wondering. I haven't seen any that "scare shots and dunk the ball in traffic".



Where are all these excellent defensive centers when Fredette comes to town?

mizzoucoug wrote:
Someone explain to me why we can't recruit tall, explosive, scoring, shot-blocking true big men like just about every other team (mid-major and non) that I see on TV year after year? Are the ones that go to the U LDS and we're just losing the recruiting battle? I'm telling you, we are a top 5 team with an average 6'10" player who can scare shots, and dunk the ball in traffic. That's the difference between us and the elite.

Because they're aren't any guys like the one you described.. There are probably less than 10 great big men in the country at any given point. Heck, not even every NBA team has one.



What I want to know is why we can't recruit an 8-footer that can dunk, rebound, shoot 3's, move the ball around in BB and throw 30 TD's and 4 picks in FB!

byutx wrote:

Someone explain to me why we can't recruit tall, explosive, scoring, shot-blocking true big men like just about every other team (mid-major and non) that I see on TV year after year? Are the ones that go to the U LDS and we're just losing the recruiting battle? I'm telling you, we are a top 5 team with an average 6'10" player who can scare shots, and dunk the ball in traffic. That's the difference between us and the elite.

Because they're aren't any guys like the one you described.. There are probably less than 10 great big men in the country at any given point. Heck, not even every NBA team has one.



What I want to know is why we can't recruit an 8-footer that can dunk, rebound, shoot 3's, move the ball around in BB and throw 30 TD's and 4 picks in FB!

I don't think I'm asking for too much. Like I said, an average big man who is a threat to score and does the other things a big man should be able to do at the D-1 level. I don't know what other games you guys watch but I see one of these players on just about every other game I watch. Heck, I'll cite Hardeman who we saw tonight. All I'm saying is to have a guy who can compliment our team by scoring when he gets the ball--we dont' need Tim Duncan. We just need someone to fill the lane and dunk the ball when he gets a dish near or under the basket. That's it!

mizzoucoug wrote:

mizzoucoug wrote:
Someone explain to me why we can't recruit tall, explosive, scoring, shot-blocking true big men like just about every other team (mid-major and non) that I see on TV year after year? Are the ones that go to the U LDS and we're just losing the recruiting battle? I'm telling you, we are a top 5 team with an average 6'10" player who can scare shots, and dunk the ball in traffic. That's the difference between us and the elite.

Because they're aren't any guys like the one you described.. There are probably less than 10 great big men in the country at any given point. Heck, not even every NBA team has one.



What I want to know is why we can't recruit an 8-footer that can dunk, rebound, shoot 3's, move the ball around in BB and throw 30 TD's and 4 picks in FB!

I don't think I'm asking for too much. Like I said, an average big man who is a threat to score and does the other things a big man should be able to do at the D-1 level. I don't know what other games you guys watch but I see one of these players on just about every other game I watch. Heck, I'll cite Hardeman who we saw tonight. All I'm saying is to have a guy who can compliment our team by scoring when he gets the ball--we dont' need Tim Duncan. We just need someone to fill the lane and dunk the ball when he gets a dish near or under the basket. That's it!

Bad game for Miles tonight. I've seen him do that pretty consistantly in some other games.

mizzoucoug wrote:

mizzoucoug wrote:
Someone explain to me why we can't recruit tall, explosive, scoring, shot-blocking true big men like just about every other team (mid-major and non) that I see on TV year after year? Are the ones that go to the U LDS and we're just losing the recruiting battle? I'm telling you, we are a top 5 team with an average 6'10" player who can scare shots, and dunk the ball in traffic. That's the difference between us and the elite.

Because they're aren't any guys like the one you described.. There are probably less than 10 great big men in the country at any given point. Heck, not even every NBA team has one.



What I want to know is why we can't recruit an 8-footer that can dunk, rebound, shoot 3's, move the ball around in BB and throw 30 TD's and 4 picks in FB!

I don't think I'm asking for too much. Like I said, an average big man who is a threat to score and does the other things a big man should be able to do at the D-1 level. I don't know what other games you guys watch but I see one of these players on just about every other game I watch. Heck, I'll cite Hardeman who we saw tonight. All I'm saying is to have a guy who can compliment our team by scoring when he gets the ball--we dont' need Tim Duncan. We just need someone to fill the lane and dunk the ball when he gets a dish near or under the basket. That's it!

I really dont think there's a SINGLE thing you said in this post that I wasn't about to post. You just did it for me.

I don't think it's a center problem at all. I think it's more of a power forward problem and a coaching problem.



Rose does not know how to run an inside offense. It's his biggest weakness. As mentioned last week, it doesn't take a 7 foot beast of a center to have an inside presence. It takes game planning. There are NO back doors, NO give and goes with a forward, NO down low screens and NO rolls to the basket. BYU NEVER runs these plays. The few times that there is a dish down low it's usually from Jimmer driving and handing it off. 7 out of 10 times, Jimmer usually tries to force those shots, so I don't blame the recipient of the dish not being particularly ready for it. We got spoiled a bit with Araujo and Trent (more so with Araujo), but centers like them are few and far between.



All it takes is Miles getting the ball down low, backing in a couple of steps and when the help on defense comes Noah, JT, or even Jimmer for that matter cutting to the basket. Never seen it done, but SDSU did it to us as did UNM, and you can bet whoever we play in the NCAA tourney is going to do that to us all day long. It has nothing to do with Miles as a player. It has to do with Rose as coach, so point the finger higher up the ladder.



On defense, Miles is quite good. He's a bear to get around by other teams' big men. Davies needs to watch his knees a bit. He likes to stick them out there as players try to dribble around him, but when you're 6'10" a giant knee is a little hard to miss by the ref.

declocoug wrote:

declocoug wrote:

absolutely HATE his guts as a basketball player.



Scattered thoughts:



- Jimmer has repeatedly given him great set ups, and he cannot convert

- He's sheepish. Too afraid to go up strong

- When he does shoot, it's some dumba$$ fade away or hook shot

- Butter fingers, can't hold onto a rebound

- Can't box out



I could go on.

I love him as a player cause he's a cougar, doing the best he can, and frankly is the best we have.



Keep rocking Miles.

Rocking ? 0/3 FG, 1/2 FT, 2 Reb, 2 TO, 2 PF

You guys are right. I forgot that Chris Miles was supposed to put up 20-10 stats every game and never foul and never let any opponent touch the ball. And score every time he touches it. :roll:



He had a bad game. So what? He's also part of the reason BYU is 20-2.

You couldn't be more correct - he IS a part of the reason why BYU is 20-2...instead of 20-0 ;)

declocoug wrote:

declocoug wrote:

absolutely HATE his guts as a basketball player.



Scattered thoughts:



- Jimmer has repeatedly given him great set ups, and he cannot convert

- He's sheepish. Too afraid to go up strong

- When he does shoot, it's some dumba$$ fade away or hook shot

- Butter fingers, can't hold onto a rebound

- Can't box out



I could go on.

I love him as a player cause he's a cougar, doing the best he can, and frankly is the best we have.



Keep rocking Miles.

Rocking ? 0/3 FG, 1/2 FT, 2 Reb, 2 TO, 2 PF

You guys are right. I forgot that Chris Miles was supposed to put up 20-10 stats every game and never foul and never let any opponent touch the ball. And score every time he touches it. :roll:



He had a bad game. So what? He's also part of the reason BYU is 20-2.

You couldn't be more correct - he IS a part of the reason why BYU is 20-2...instead of 20-0 ;)

mizzoucoug wrote:
Someone explain to me why we can't recruit tall, explosive, scoring, shot-blocking true big men like just about every other team (mid-major and non) that I see on TV year after year? Are the ones that go to the U LDS and we're just losing the recruiting battle? I'm telling you, we are a top 5 team with an average 6'10" player who can scare shots, and dunk the ball in traffic. That's the difference between us and the elite.

I may be wrong, but I think Rose just recruited one of those. His name is Brandon Davies. As soon as he learns how to breathe without fouling someone, we'll have an inside presence, on both ends.

declocoug wrote:

declocoug wrote:

absolutely HATE his guts as a basketball player.



Scattered thoughts:



- Jimmer has repeatedly given him great set ups, and he cannot convert

- He's sheepish. Too afraid to go up strong

- When he does shoot, it's some dumba$$ fade away or hook shot

- Butter fingers, can't hold onto a rebound

- Can't box out



I could go on.

I love him as a player cause he's a cougar, doing the best he can, and frankly is the best we have.



Keep rocking Miles.

Rocking ? 0/3 FG, 1/2 FT, 2 Reb, 2 TO, 2 PF

You guys are right. I forgot that Chris Miles was supposed to put up 20-10 stats every game and never foul and never let any opponent touch the ball. And score every time he touches it. :roll:



He had a bad game. So what? He's also part of the reason BYU is 20-2.

He is supposed to get rebounds and block shots, not shoot 15 foot fadeaways that get blocked every time and give up offensive rebound after offensive rebound. Put in Davies at least he tries to play big.

bigbluepuma wrote:
Bad game for Miles tonight. I've seen him do that [good stuff] pretty consistantly in some other games.

I harped on Miles a lot last year because he was no Plaisted (and Trent was no Araujo). Miles still isn't a great player, but you can tell that he has improved a lot from last year. His shooting percentage is much better, his free throws are much better, and he is stronger which gives him a better defensive body/presence. Best of all he has become The Invisible Man- In a good way! Last season he hurt us with all of his missed shots and turnovers. This season he has learned to just step back and let Jimmer run the show.



Davies fouls too much, is still a little undersized, and plays poor defense, but there's the makings there of a very fine upperclassman.

Seems to be a lot more criticism of Miles today then there was praise for him after his very good performance against SDSU when he was 4-7 from the floor and grabbed 7 boards with no fouls. He had a poor game, just like just about every Cougar outside of Jimmer, JT and Noah.

kitic77 wrote:
Seems to be a lot more criticism of Miles today then there was praise for him after his very good performance against SDSU when he was 4-7 from the floor and grabbed 7 boards with no fouls. He had a poor game, just like just about every Cougar outside of Jimmer, JT and Noah.

Wait did you just say JT doesn't have poor games? :P

He is exactly the kind of player that'll hurt us in crunch time. When it comes to the big games in conference and tournament play, when the other guys come ready to play, we have often struggled (hence no conference tourney win and three first round NCAA losses under Rose), our best guys have missed shots, unable to step up. Chris Miles fits that image PERFECTLY, I do NOT NOT NOT want to see that guy on the court when things get tight...