DAMN and DAMN (Phillips/Schwenke now "Soft" Commits)

pikoi wrote:

kfilly20 wrote:

What the heck is wrong with Hawaii? Is every kid that lives there a raging alcoholic?

Yes

what does that have to do with kona? I have not heard anything that suggests that he drinks. if that is what your suggesting lets please not go there while he is still making his decision.

I don't know if at has anything to do with Kona or not, but I can tell you that I grew up in Hawaii and the vast majority of the kids I grew up with (LDS or otherwise) were raging alcoholics. Small sample size and shouldn't lead to a general conclusion, but that was my experience.

imuakahuku wrote:

jonnylingo wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
What the heck is wrong with Hawaii? Is every kid that lives there a raging alcoholic?

Yes

what does that have to do with kona? I have not heard anything that suggests that he drinks. if that is what your suggesting lets please not go there while he is still making his decision.

I don't know if at has anything to do with Kona or not, but I can tell you that I grew up in Hawaii and the vast majority of the kids I grew up with (LDS or otherwise) were raging alcoholics. Small sample size and shouldn't lead to a general conclusion, but that was my experience.

I guess the definition of "alcoholic" has changed to include anybody that hangs out at a party and has a beverage. I had plenty of friends that "partied" while in high school but repented after they graduated, went on missions, got temple marriages, attend the temple, and have been faithful to those covenants they made there. And I say repented in place of matured. I used to go hang out at the parties on the point just because my friends were there. I never imbibed because I didn't grow up in the church and had already sworn off any such behavior. My being there actually encouraged many of my LDS friends to not partake which wasn't my purpose-I just wanted to be with my friends. But I will say that they do it less than what I have seen from the kids here in Ohio. I don't know of very many families there that keep their brew in a fridge in the garage where the kids can get to it with no questions asked. Around here it seems every third or fourth house is "proud" of their "beer cooler". So I think the problem is nationwide not just in the islands, and on the North Shore I would bet that is does not top the national average for "alcoholoics" in high school.

I also think it pretty low to suggest that because a recruit even acknowledges an offer from another school as a question into their character and the desire to not live the honor code. Drinking in college is ilegal in all 57 states (Obama's count not mine)for everyone under the age of 21. So regardless of where they attend they cannot drink until they reach the age of 21. It is a sad commentary however, that many underage students in college do drink without any accountablility.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
What the heck is wrong with Hawaii? Is every kid that lives there a raging alcoholic?

Just some friendly advice - you may want to edit or delete your post. This kid is weighing his options. I'd tread softly ..... IMHO. Thx.

:crazy:

I hope my post would be taken as a very tongue in cheek response to some of the interesting challenges we've recently had in recruiting what used to be a very strong BYU area.



If the young man does decide to honor his commitment and come to BYU he will have no bigger fan than I!

gmj81 wrote:
Apparently all the LDS guys that have gone to UW or Arizona over the years haven't let any of their fanboards bigotry against Mormons stop them from attending those schools so why should Kona let a little fan unrest over his waffling upset him?



In all seriousness though, any recruit who is going to let the fanboards (which probably represent less than 5% of the fanbase) make his decision for him has got issues. That's just not smart to let other people dictate your future.

imuakahuku wrote:

jonnylingo wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
What the heck is wrong with Hawaii? Is every kid that lives there a raging alcoholic?

Yes

what does that have to do with kona? I have not heard anything that suggests that he drinks. if that is what your suggesting lets please not go there while he is still making his decision.

I don't know if at has anything to do with Kona or not, but I can tell you that I grew up in Hawaii and the vast majority of the kids I grew up with (LDS or otherwise) were raging alcoholics. Small sample size and shouldn't lead to a general conclusion, but that was my experience.

I guess the definition of "alcoholic" has changed to include anybody that hangs out at a party and has a beverage. I had plenty of friends that "partied" while in high school but repented after they graduated, went on missions, got temple marriages, attend the temple, and have been faithful to those covenants they made there. And I say repented in place of matured. I used to go hang out at the parties on the point just because my friends were there. I never imbibed because I didn't grow up in the church and had already sworn off any such behavior. My being there actually encouraged many of my LDS friends to not partake which wasn't my purpose-I just wanted to be with my friends. But I will say that they do it less than what I have seen from the kids here in Ohio. I don't know of very many families there that keep their brew in a fridge in the garage where the kids can get to it with no questions asked. Around here it seems every third or fourth house is "proud" of their "beer cooler". So I think the problem is nationwide not just in the islands, and on the North Shore I would bet that is does not top the national average for "alcoholoics" in high school.

I also think it pretty low to suggest that because a recruit even acknowledges an offer from another school as a question into their character and the desire to not live the honor code. Drinking in college is ilegal in all 57 states (Obama's count not mine)for everyone under the age of 21. So regardless of where they attend they cannot drink until they reach the age of 21. It is a sad commentary however, that many underage students in college do drink without any accountablility.

gmj81 wrote:

He is tripping to notre dame. won't return calls from those people in utah and his parents are gushing over their notre dame offer. He is so going to notre dame.



I would say we have a 10 percent chance of landing him at this point.

Uh, what am I missing here? Was that not your quote over on Rumorboard? I dunno, maybe you have multiple personality disorder in which case I apologize... to both of you.

jonnylingo wrote:
We haven't talked much about phillips possibly leaving either. that would be a huge disappointment to me. I was really looking forward to watching him and love that he picked byu. You can tell that he is already a fan favorite and would be very fun to watch for four or five years.

jonnylingo wrote:

jonnylingo wrote:
He is tripping to notre dame. won't return calls from those people in utah and his parents are gushing over their notre dame offer. He is so going to notre dame.



I would say we have a 10 percent chance of landing him at this point.

Uh, what am I missing here? Was that not your quote over on Rumorboard? I dunno, maybe you have multiple personality disorder in which case I apologize... to both of you.

This comment was made before additional information was made available. Look at the post right above this one you made. I said I changed my mind after reading additional information about the father's interview with tbs.



I would say 60 40 for byu at this point with the information that I have.

gmj81 wrote:

gmj81 wrote:

He is tripping to notre dame. won't return calls from those people in utah and his parents are gushing over their notre dame offer. He is so going to notre dame.



I would say we have a 10 percent chance of landing him at this point.

Uh, what am I missing here? Was that not your quote over on Rumorboard? I dunno, maybe you have multiple personality disorder in which case I apologize... to both of you.

This comment was made before additional information was made available. Look at the post right above this one you made. I said I changed my mind after reading additional information about the father's interview with tbs.



I would say 60 40 for byu at this point with the information that I have.

I just want to know what makes you think that the father is telling the whole story. I've read it too (which is why I posted about the TBS addendum to the whole drama) but you've got to admit there is something fishy going on there. Why would the father be at all upset about the lack of trust when the BYU coaches are showing when he decides to do this less than a week before signing day? We've been burned like this before. What's more, even if it were just a chance to "get off the rock" for Kona and "visit some old friends", why would the father be tagging along? ND doesn't pay for the parent's trip. And if they've got the money to get daddy off the rock to accompany Kona, why couldn't they pay to fly Kona to the mainland himself without it being a recruiting trip?



Even if Kona has plans to fully commit to BYU on signing day, just taking this trip exhibits a lack of honesty on his part. Either he's not being honest about his intentions with BYU or else with ND. Do you think ND just wants to trip him out to "hang out with his friends" if he's just going to commit to BYU in the end?



Again, I'm fine if these kids want to take all their trips. But once you decide to commit, you owe it to the coaches of all the teams who recruited you to end it there. Don't lead anyone on. Don't misrepresent your intentions. And don't occupy the scholie of another potential recruit while you decide if you really want to play at that school. The only exception should be if a coach you had committed to takes another job elsewhere.



I was even OK with the first few visits that Kona was rumored to have taken (accompanying Jamora around) because I thought he was solid commit. But pulling it a week before signing day is getting a touchy, don't you think?

declocoug wrote:
This is all Chris Miles' fault.

jonnylingo wrote:



Get off your high horse man. The kid has a tough decision to make. let him make his decision. He is not BYU's until signign day. there is nothing wrong with switchign yoru commitment before you sign. That is the name of the game. Does it suck for BYU, yes, but its not like BYU hasn't done the same thing to other schools before or wouldn't hesititae to do it if the opportunity arose. Just chill out and keep your judgments of what you think their ture intentions are to yourself until signing day.

jonnylingo wrote:
You may be right, but I don't see why you have to go around stating your opinion about his character and intentions when you don't know. We still have a shot at him. Give him the benefit of the doubt until signing day. This is a game. The schools do their best to entice. He is playing the field which he has a right to do until he signs on the dotted line.

jonnylingo wrote:
even if he was just tripping to nd for a free trip, nd doesn't care. they just want a shot at him to try and change his mind. Even if kona said that straight up is why he is coming, nd would still fly him out.

declocoug wrote:
This is all Chris Miles' fault.

gmj81 wrote:

Get off your high horse man. The kid has a tough decision to make. let him make his decision. He is not BYU's until signign day. there is nothing wrong with switchign yoru commitment before you sign. That is the name of the game. Does it suck for BYU, yes, but its not like BYU hasn't done the same thing to other schools before or wouldn't hesititae to do it if the opportunity arose. Just chill out and keep your judgments of what you think their ture intentions are to yourself until signing day.

Name once when it has happened. And why would signing day all of a sudden make my 'judgments' any more valid. Whether he signs with BYU or not, we'll still probably never know the whole story.

jonnylingo wrote:
You may be right, but I don't see why you have to go around stating your opinion about his character and intentions when you don't know. We still have a shot at him. Give him the benefit of the doubt until signing day. This is a game. The schools do their best to entice. He is playing the field which he has a right to do until he signs on the dotted line.

You're right. As the rules are now, he can do what ever he wants until he signs on the dotted line. But that's what's wrong and where changes need to be made. It's not honest and it wastes thousands of dollars and people's time when these kids change their mind at the last minute and it affects hundreds of people's future, not just their own. There needs to be an early signing period in football like there is in basketball. And if a kid hasn't yet decided, like I said, I'm fine with that. Take all the time you need. But once you make a decision, stick with it. Don't keep searching. But don't get pissy like Heimuli either when you wait around and the program decided to move on without you.

jonnylingo wrote:
even if he was just tripping to nd for a free trip, nd doesn't care. they just want a shot at him to try and change his mind. Even if kona said that straight up is why he is coming, nd would still fly him out.

You really think if Kona told them, "I'm not going to sign with you even if you trip me out" that they would still pay to fly him out and waste their time showing him around when he's not even going to go there and they could focus on other recruits? I know ND has googobs of money but they're not even stupid enough to waste it or their time like that. What's a ticket from Hawaii to South Bend even go for these days? Only $700 or $800 dollars.



Finally, don't get all high and mighty with me. Everyone on this board and every other, you included, at some point or another has had their buttons pushed by other posters or recruits' actions or something where they may make judgments that may or may not be substantiated. This just happens to be one of my hot button issues. And from the information available, I don't think the claims I've drawn are probably that far from the truth. At the very least, the Schwenke's ought to understand what this looks like and should understand that until they clear things up, there might be a few unhappy people. They certainly don't owe me any explanations but they do owe the BYU coaches one. And it doesn't sound like they are any too pleased either. But I can draw whatever conclusion and state my opinion in whatever way I want until the final truth comes out Like I said, I overlooked the first few rumors of him courting and being courted by other schools. How long do you expect me to keep this up?

craigoscarson wrote:
Kahuku and these families are dead to me if they continue to be this wishy washy with their commitments.

For all that BYU and the church has done on the islands, I'm tired of the January drama with these kids.



I really thought the Schwenke name meant more than Teo....

jonnylingo wrote:
I would say 60 40 for byu at this point with the information that I have.